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womanofthehills

(9,690 posts)
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 02:43 PM Saturday

Horrific - a mob harass a single women in Brooklyn

A mob of Jewish men assaulted a lone woman in New York late Thursday after she was reportedly mistaken for a pro-Palestine protester.

The woman who was escorted by a police officer was repeatedly kicked and shoved by the group while chanting “Death to Arabs”


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Horrific - a mob harass a single women in Brooklyn (Original Post) womanofthehills Saturday OP
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Saturday #1
Sad Starlight27 Saturday #2
I agree. red dog 1 Saturday #27
I wonder if this will make the news. Looks like a very scary situation, even the police officer looks scared Pisces Saturday #3
Only one policeman against all those angry nen? ShazzieB Saturday #11
I saw it on the news yesterday Demovictory9 1 hr ago #93
They got one thing right: All of them are a waste of semen !!! SamKnause Saturday #4
so so much hate around us. riversedge Saturday #5
There is, and too many people use others hate to justify their own EdmondDantes_ Saturday #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Saturday #6
And Good Lucj to you too!!! GP6971 Saturday #9
Why wasn't anyone arrested? Even if she is a pro Palestine supporter, why did the police allow these men to assault her? tulipsandroses Saturday #7
That's the real take-away. Palestinian protesters lives don't matter to Jews/MAGAs/Nazis Jit423 Saturday #18
Ain't that the truth! AloeVera Saturday #29
"Real Terrorists"? Are Not Hamas, and Hezbollah real terrorists, too? electric_blue68 39 min ago #99
Because she had a scarf on? What a bunch of absolute dolts. n/t valleyrogue Saturday #8
It's a microsm of the same intelligence challenged mentality Uncle Joe 4 hrs ago #78
This is horrible, MarineCombatEngineer Saturday #10
The middle east comes to America. 1WorldHope Saturday #12
Incredible amount of antisemitism on that thread. Mosby Saturday #13
I don't know what you are referring to? All I saw in the video was a group of men terrorizing a woman and a cop. Pisces Saturday #16
No, the video is accurate Mosby Saturday #19
It's self explanatory, a mob of "men " are illegally questionseverything Saturday #31
That's because the media have only just started reporting this... Violet_Crumble 1 hr ago #86
How about commenting on the anti-Arab hate crime. choie Saturday #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Saturday #41
I was born Jewish. I'm I supposed to be proud looking at this??? Intractable Saturday #42
Grow up Starlight27 1 hr ago #87
That was truly Ugly....... alittlelark Saturday #14
Context Mosby Saturday #15
I don't think this excuses the mob harassing 1 woman. Pisces Saturday #17
No it doesnt. Mosby Saturday #20
You posted it for that very reason. iemanja 17 hrs ago #62
No, it doesn't Mossfern Saturday #21
No where did I blame the Jewish community. Pisces Saturday #24
I didn't mean you personally Mossfern Saturday #25
Mob mentality is scary no matter who it is. I think something takes over. This is not about any one group. Pisces Saturday #26
As a woman - yes, scary. Mossfern Saturday #37
Here's some more detail from the NYT... Violet_Crumble 2 hrs ago #84
I don't blame the Jewish community iemanja 17 hrs ago #63
She doesn't need a reason to wear whatever she wants. TommyT139 23 hrs ago #54
Miscommunication Mossfern 21 hrs ago #60
They are harassing her because they are never punished for it questionseverything 3 hrs ago #80
The content makes it worse questionseverything Saturday #30
LOLOL "protest" AkFemDem Saturday #34
Who is "they?" Mossfern Saturday #38
I watched the videos and didn't see anything but protest and chanting questionseverything Saturday #39
ah, well then, disappear her to El Salvador stillcool Saturday #33
gawd they're all DISGUSTING Skittles Saturday #35
Another context: They were exercising their right to protest. AloeVera Saturday #43
They had a right to do it, but they also knew it was going to provoke the yeshiva bochurs. Mosby Saturday #44
That kinda sounds like Eko Saturday #45
Ethnicity and faith are irrelevant, right-wingers are going to act like right-wingers. nt NutmegYankee Saturday #22
Hate is ugly regardless of who the haters align with. marble falls Saturday #28
THEY ARE ALL DISGUSTING Skittles Saturday #36
Thugs. Ritabert Saturday #32
Same two groups going back to the same shit sandwich shop for decades is what causes this. Eko Saturday #46
Why do people hate Jews? Mosby Yesterday #48
There is without a doubt violence on both sides. Eko Yesterday #49
whataboutism ensures it never fucking ends Skittles 22 hrs ago #56
False equivalence Starlight27 1 hr ago #89
Yeah, one jewish person was murdered. Mosby 1 hr ago #92
'Mean things screamed at her'? Violet_Crumble 1 hr ago #94
Why is she masked? Mosby 1 hr ago #95
She explains it in one of the articles I read... Violet_Crumble 1 hr ago #96
I only saw one group there... regnaD kciN Yesterday #52
Very true. Eko 22 hrs ago #57
it is just pathetic Skittles 23 hrs ago #55
Why are people protesting at synagogues? Mosby Yesterday #47
Because that's where the guy they were protesting was? EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #50
This is not in Brooklyn where Ben Gvir visited. Mosby Yesterday #51
Ben Gvir was scheduled to speak at this synagogue that night AloeVera 22 hrs ago #58
Round two Mosby 11 hrs ago #64
This message was self-deleted by its author AloeVera 11 hrs ago #65
I agree that's a threat. Nobody should be speaking like that EdmondDantes_ 5 hrs ago #73
Agreed electric_blue68 1 hr ago #97
Those Hamas supporters need to go Polybius Yesterday #53
That's odd. AloeVera 22 hrs ago #59
You ARE wrong. Beastly Boy 10 hrs ago #66
Perhaps - gasp - it is you who might be obfuscating? AloeVera 9 hrs ago #67
Ummm... perhaps not. Gasp. Beastly Boy 7 hrs ago #68
I can't believe I read all that. My poor brain. AloeVera 7 hrs ago #69
You realize that you are talking about two different synagogues, don't you? Beastly Boy 5 hrs ago #71
Aah. The last tool in the tool box. AloeVera 4 hrs ago #76
This might have worked on an Upper west side hipster, but not a veteran Brooklynite. Beastly Boy 2 hrs ago #82
Let me help clear up your confusion. Here you go: AloeVera 2 hrs ago #83
Closer than I expected, but a wrong synagogue nevertheless. And no Ben Gvir in sight. Beastly Boy 1 hr ago #88
One last thing. You missed the irony. AloeVera 7 hrs ago #70
It's not the irony that I am missing. Beastly Boy 5 hrs ago #72
This message was self-deleted by its author AloeVera 4 hrs ago #75
See my response above... AloeVera 4 hrs ago #79
Because this is America, we have the right to protest questionseverything 3 hrs ago #81
Disgusting SunImp 20 hrs ago #61
The antisemites are emboldened. Mosby 4 hrs ago #74
There's no excuse for this. Liberal In Texas 4 hrs ago #77
Yet there's evidence of excuse-making in this thread... Violet_Crumble 2 hrs ago #85
Thank you Starlight27 1 hr ago #91
Updates from Mayor Adams Mosby 1 hr ago #90
Damn, acting like effin' droogs! Thank goodness that cop got her out of there! electric_blue68 50 min ago #98

Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Starlight27

(29 posts)
2. Sad
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 02:53 PM
Saturday

Sad pathetic men. They are an insult to their religion and perpetuate more evil in the world 😔

Pisces

(5,937 posts)
3. I wonder if this will make the news. Looks like a very scary situation, even the police officer looks scared
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 02:54 PM
Saturday

ShazzieB

(20,382 posts)
11. Only one policeman against all those angry nen?
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 04:00 PM
Saturday

I'd be scared, too. That cop was more outnumbered than the Capitol Police on January 6, 2021!

EdmondDantes_

(422 posts)
23. There is, and too many people use others hate to justify their own
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 05:02 PM
Saturday

Even in this case, there was a protest/violence against Jewish people, and they then turn around and commit violence against an unrelated party because mobs aren't great at being rational. We've known for a long time an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind, but we still do it.

Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

tulipsandroses

(7,198 posts)
7. Why wasn't anyone arrested? Even if she is a pro Palestine supporter, why did the police allow these men to assault her?
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 03:31 PM
Saturday

Not talking about their ugly rhetoric, it looks like she was being hit or kicked. Maybe they would do this to a male as well. But the misogyny is dripping.

Jit423

(1,262 posts)
18. That's the real take-away. Palestinian protesters lives don't matter to Jews/MAGAs/Nazis
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 04:34 PM
Saturday

So tell me who are the REAL terrorists around the world. According to MAGAs, Nazis and Zionist Jews,
only the oppressed, occupied, and disenfranchised are terrorists, especially if they fight back to regain their stolen lands and wealth.

AloeVera

(2,559 posts)
29. Ain't that the truth!
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 06:10 PM
Saturday

Sad and unjust world we live in. Sustained by propaganda and lies. Just gotta keep fighting it!

electric_blue68

(21,097 posts)
99. "Real Terrorists"? Are Not Hamas, and Hezbollah real terrorists, too?
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 09:11 PM
39 min ago
NO fan of Netanyahoo (for decades!), West Bank Settlers taking away land, farms, groves of Palestinians, either! To be clear.

Try to call unfair, and/or violent behaviors out on all sides. Very rare, if ever not for me to do that when I have a chance to at least say something.

Uncle Joe

(61,501 posts)
78. It's a microsm of the same intelligence challenged mentality
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 05:33 PM
4 hrs ago

that abducts and sends people out of the country with no due process just because they have tattoos or sports attire.

There is no limitation to the depths of stupidity and when those in power set the standard, the walking dead are sure to follow.

Thanks for the thread valleyrogue

Mosby

(18,409 posts)
13. Incredible amount of antisemitism on that thread.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 04:21 PM
Saturday

But I guess I shouldn't be surprised, or that it was posted here.

Pisces

(5,937 posts)
16. I don't know what you are referring to? All I saw in the video was a group of men terrorizing a woman and a cop.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 04:28 PM
Saturday

No one was arrested because cop was outnumbered and crowd was amped up for violence. This is a mob mentality and you can not reason with the mob. I don’t think posting this video is antisemitism.

Mosby

(18,409 posts)
19. No, the video is accurate
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 04:38 PM
Saturday

I'm referring to the X thread. Sorry I wasn't clear.

The OP posted this without context for SOME REASON.

questionseverything

(10,747 posts)
31. It's self explanatory, a mob of "men " are illegally
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 06:21 PM
Saturday

Harassing a woman and the officer trying to protect her

Violet_Crumble

(36,231 posts)
86. That's because the media have only just started reporting this...
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 07:54 PM
1 hr ago

It's in the NYT and the Guardian. Here's links to both:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/28/mob-orthodox-jewish-men-chases-woman

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/28/nyregion/protests-israel-woman-attacked-brooklyn.html?unlocked_article_code=1.DE8.BuzZ.8Y--5rjZWIUe&smid=em-share

on edit - removed my question as you've been asked it before in this thread and not answered, so I can't see the point of repeating it. I will say that (and this is a general observation) that there are people who will focus on only one form of bigotry, which is fine with me. It's not fine if they take it one step further and defend other forms of bigotry or claim or strongly imply that the bigotry doesn't exist, and that anyone who claims it's bigotry is overly sensitive. I pity those sort of people.

Response to choie (Reply #40)

Intractable

(979 posts)
42. I was born Jewish. I'm I supposed to be proud looking at this???
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 08:02 PM
Saturday

Sometimes, the Jews deserve the blame! Look at this behavior. They are no better than the Arab terrorists they decry.

Starlight27

(29 posts)
87. Grow up
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 07:57 PM
1 hr ago

Any religion that terrorizes innocent people is religious extremism and it is wrong!

iemanja

(55,879 posts)
62. You posted it for that very reason.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 04:18 AM
17 hrs ago

How hard is it to admit that Islamopobes exist, as antisemites do? Both should be condemned, yet you make excuses.

Mossfern

(3,726 posts)
21. No, it doesn't
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 04:40 PM
Saturday

We don't know why this happened - as she wasn't even wearing a keffyieh - just a "cowboy" scarf around her face - reason?

There is no excuse for this behavior - but please don't put the blame on all Jewish people. This is an ultra Orthodox community ............ And I must say "They are a shanda to the Jewish people."

Mossfern

(3,726 posts)
25. I didn't mean you personally
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 05:56 PM
Saturday

I apologize for the mix-up.
I should have made a separate reply instead of replying to your post.

You do know that there are those who will blame the entire community though.

Pisces

(5,937 posts)
26. Mob mentality is scary no matter who it is. I think something takes over. This is not about any one group.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 06:01 PM
Saturday

The thing that is so disheartening is that women no matter their politics are easy scapegoats.
I have no idea what would have happened to her if the police officer wasn’t present.

Mossfern

(3,726 posts)
37. As a woman - yes, scary.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 07:09 PM
Saturday

I still wonder about the entire story.
I may (or may not) agree with this woman's politics, but what she endured is horrific.
She will be affected for the rest of her life, and I would advise that she see a trauma therapist immediately.

Violet_Crumble

(36,231 posts)
84. Here's some more detail from the NYT...
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 07:21 PM
2 hrs ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/28/nyregion/protests-israel-woman-attacked-brooklyn.html?unlocked_article_code=1.DE8.BuzZ.8Y--5rjZWIUe&smid=em-share

It made me feel sick to see that poor woman surrounded and attacked by those thugs. The police need to move quickly and arrest those who attacked her and made threats to rape her. This is clearly a hate crime against a woman, and also probably also because they appeared to think she was Arab.

It's very clear that the ultra-Orthodox fuckwits are only a small and misogynistic part of the much larger and diverse Jewish community. They've attacked and harrassed women in Israel as well when they'd attack women who dared to get on buses at the front door and sit at the front.

iemanja

(55,879 posts)
63. I don't blame the Jewish community
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 04:19 AM
17 hrs ago

But I do blame those who make excuses for this particular incident, regardless of their religion.

TommyT139

(1,297 posts)
54. She doesn't need a reason to wear whatever she wants.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 10:46 PM
23 hrs ago

Although goodness knows between measles and tuberculosis clusters spiking, surveillance police cameras, surveillance phone-cameras....there are plenty of reasons for anyone.

Mossfern

(3,726 posts)
60. Miscommunication
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 11:53 PM
21 hrs ago

I was wondering the reason they were harassing her so badly, not for the face covering.

questionseverything

(10,747 posts)
80. They are harassing her because they are never punished for it
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 05:51 PM
3 hrs ago

The law needs to be enforced equally

questionseverything

(10,747 posts)
30. The content makes it worse
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 06:16 PM
Saturday

People have the right to protest wether republicans believe it or not

These “men “ surrounding this woman and officer should be charged with mob action and the ones that actually hit her, kicked her charged with battery, actually their is probably some law against doing all that to a cop that carries a stiffer penalty

But at least she isn’t being bombed and starved in an open air prison like the people of Gaza

questionseverything

(10,747 posts)
39. I watched the videos and didn't see anything but protest and chanting
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 07:11 PM
Saturday

Until the large group of “men “ surround the single woman and the brave cop

AloeVera

(2,559 posts)
43. Another context: They were exercising their right to protest.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 08:03 PM
Saturday

Protesting the presence nearby of Israeli Cabinet Minister Ben-Gvir, the far-right hateful extremist and violent settler responsible for so much Palestinian suffering and suffering of Israeli hostages and their families. Without him and Smotrich, the war would have been over and hostages home a long time ago and we may not now all be suffering underTrump.

For doing that, they were beaten up and assaulted by these thugs while the police watched and did nothing. They never do, just like at UCLA.

Only one side in this conflict is ever protected, and that side fortunately never suffers even a fraction of the extreme violence the pro-Palestinians do.

Mosby

(18,409 posts)
44. They had a right to do it, but they also knew it was going to provoke the yeshiva bochurs.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 08:12 PM
Saturday

Eko

(9,117 posts)
45. That kinda sounds like
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 08:57 PM
Saturday

Oh, dont provoke the violent people and you wont get messed with. I for one am happy to see people do such, especially the Palestinians in gaza protesting hamas and the Isralies in Israel protesting bibi.

Eko

(9,117 posts)
46. Same two groups going back to the same shit sandwich shop for decades is what causes this.
Sat Apr 26, 2025, 08:58 PM
Saturday

Eko

(9,117 posts)
49. There is without a doubt violence on both sides.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 08:44 PM
Yesterday

Neither side has clean hands in this.

Mosby

(18,409 posts)
92. Yeah, one jewish person was murdered.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 08:21 PM
1 hr ago

And a woman covering her face had mean things screamed at her.

You're absolutely right they are not equivalent.

Violet_Crumble

(36,231 posts)
94. 'Mean things screamed at her'?
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 08:33 PM
1 hr ago

She was assaulted! The 'mean things' were threats of rape, death to Arabs, and other such sickening and bigoted things. I think you need to go back and watch that original clip of the attack and stop trying to divert attention with all the 'whataboutism'. You've posted repetitively in this thread, but it's mostly about anything else than the sickening attack on the woman in New York. As a woman, that attack sickens and scares me. I hope you have the empathy and understanding to be able to put yourself in someone else's shoes and see it through their eyes.

Violet_Crumble

(36,231 posts)
96. She explains it in one of the articles I read...
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 08:45 PM
1 hr ago

She wanted to retain her privacy. Even now, she's scared of reprisals and is withholding her name.

The woman, a neighborhood resident in her 30s, told the Associated Press she learned of the protest after hearing police helicopters over her apartment. She walked over to investigate around 10.30pm but by then the protest had mostly dispersed. Not wanting to be filmed, she covered her face with a scarf.

“As soon as I pulled up my scarf, a group of 100 men came over immediately and encircled me,” said the woman, who spoke to the AP on the condition of anonymity because she feared for her safety.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/28/mob-orthodox-jewish-men-chases-woman



I'm glad you don't condone violence. That mob was violent and I'm glad there's been arrests. These ultra-Orthodox ones are even worse than the ones in Israel.

Eko

(9,117 posts)
57. Very true.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 11:23 PM
22 hrs ago

In that video there is only one side with hate and violence, in another the other side. Of course I was talking about the wider confluence. Both sides have committed atrocities. What Hamas did was wrong. What Israel is doing is wrong. What is going on there has been wrong since the beginning. Both sides got a shit sandwich deal from the UN and most of the world. What do you expect when you take two different religions and make them live in the same place? The sad part is both sides decided that shit sandwich was the status quo and keep going back for seconds. On one side you have an autocratic fool eager to continue the destruction but even beyond that you have a country built on taking from the Arabs and continuing to do so. On the other you have a resistance movement full of people who have no problem with murdering everyone and anyone and a people who have been subjected to poverty and no country, barricaded in and controlled. That's bad enough but that radical movement also has no problem with murdering everyone and anyone just because, not that it in any way improves the peoples lives, no, it actually made it worse. Way worse. Neither of them have a real end game plan, its just to cause more death and destruction. Neither of them can win this fight.

EdmondDantes_

(422 posts)
50. Because that's where the guy they were protesting was?
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 09:24 PM
Yesterday

Neither side has clean hands in this and until both sides stop blaming the other to justify their actions, it's unlikely to end.

Mosby

(18,409 posts)
51. This is not in Brooklyn where Ben Gvir visited.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 09:32 PM
Yesterday

It's a different synagogue.

People are protesting in front of Jewish community centers and synagogues, at times harassing worshippers about what's going on in the Middle East. It's been going on since Oct 7th.

AloeVera

(2,559 posts)
58. Ben Gvir was scheduled to speak at this synagogue that night
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 11:27 PM
22 hrs ago

That's why the protest.

Ben Gvir is a far-right Jewish supremacist who, among other things, has called for the shooting of Palestinian women and children and for Palestinians to be expelled and replaced by Israeli settlers as the"only solution".

Mosby

(18,409 posts)
64. Round two
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 10:07 AM
11 hrs ago

What's the excuse now?




"ZIONISM IS NOT WELCOME HERE"

That sounds like a threat....

Response to Mosby (Reply #64)

EdmondDantes_

(422 posts)
73. I agree that's a threat. Nobody should be speaking like that
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 04:29 PM
5 hrs ago

Likewise nobody should be chasing a woman down to attack her because they thought she was Arab. Not that hard to condemn both sides for antagonistic behavior.

AloeVera

(2,559 posts)
59. That's odd.
Sun Apr 27, 2025, 11:41 PM
22 hrs ago

The man arrested at the end appears to have an Israeli accent. I could be wrong. But he also yells to someone "take off your mask". He says he didn't spit at anybody.

This is how it goes. Provocateurs infiltrate the protest, spit or goad, harass etc and usually are unsuccesful. But sometimes they get a response, as seems the case here. But the cops held the protesters back.

Of course what you never see in these videos posted by pro-Israel sites - due to clever editing - is the provocation that preceded the response. As seems the case here.

Beastly Boy

(12,074 posts)
66. You ARE wrong.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:08 AM
10 hrs ago

The man has a Syrian accent. This is a neighborhood where many Syrian Jews live. He is the local resident, not the Keffiyeh wearing outsider. He was not a provocateur, he was provoked. It was probably his synagogue that was targeted by the small group of disruptors, whose presence was obviously not welcome near the neighborhood synagogue.

The provocation that preceded the response was the loud disruptive presence of the keffiyeh-wearing, supposedly anti-Israel protesters next to a Jewish, not Israeli, house of worship. Their antisemitic intentions were clearly demonstrated by the choice of their target.

Interesting how quickly "I could be wrong" turns into a rather elaborate fairy tale of "how this goes".

AloeVera

(2,559 posts)
67. Perhaps - gasp - it is you who might be obfuscating?
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 12:38 PM
9 hrs ago

My point was that the arrest was not of a protester, but of a "counter-protester" - whether the man is a local American Jew - of any descent, whether Syrian or Ashkenazi - an Israeli Jew, a non-Jew or whatever ....totally besides the point. Unless the point is to obfuscate and deflect of course!


Further...

The target of the protest was Ben-Gvir, not the synagogue. He was scheduled to speak at that synagogue later that day. The fact that it is a Syrian Jewish synagogue is besides the point. It made a choice to invite the reviled POS settler-terrorist and genocide mastermind Ben-Gvir as an honoured guest. Presumably because the synagogue sees nothing repulsive about him, his actions and ultra-Zionist ideology. Unlike many other synagogues and communities that rejected an appearance by Ben-Gvir. Good on them.

Anti-Israel protesters Sunday clashed with cops outside a Brooklyn synagogue where Israel’s embattled security minister was set to speak — with the speech ending up canceled and at least one arrest.


https://nypost.com/2025/04/27/us-news/cops-clash-with-anti-israel-protesters-outside-nyc-synagogue-where-israeli-minister-was-set-to-speak-before-event-canceled/

If the presence of protesters was offensive to the Jewish man who was arrested, imagine how offensive the presence of Ben Gvir would be to decent people - and not just keffiyeh-wearing protesters.

I can't think of why decent people - protesters or not- would NOT be outraged and offended by the presence of the abominable Ben-Gvir.

Beastly Boy

(12,074 posts)
68. Ummm... perhaps not. Gasp.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:53 PM
7 hrs ago

It is your grossly uninformed description of the origins and the accent of the man you commented on that was your point. You made it pretty clear, and, in the face of what you already committed to print, attempting to disavow it now is transparently disingenuous, awkward and ridiculous. Naturally, it didn't stop you from accusing me. Figures.

And now, the real point, which you are trying to avoid like fire: the man who was arrested is not the one who provoked the confrontation. The likelihood of him not being a protester is yet another deflection: he was not the cause of the confrontation. The confrontation was a response to the blatantly antisemitic targeting of (likely his) place of worship by the provocative action of a combative group of outsiders. Are you not clear on that yet? It will be up to NYPD and due process of law, not your conjectures, that will determine the nature of the man's actions. The combative displays of antisemitic attitudes by a loud and disruptive outside group targeting the local place of worship, on the other hand, is self-evident.

Of course, it was already brought to your attention that the arrest you have described has nothing to do wit Ben Gvir, and it occurred in an area of Brooklyn some ten miles away, and at a different time of day than the the Ben Gvir visit. But referencing a wrong event on a wrong day at a wrong place for the wrong reason is not a deflection, right?

For my part, I can't think of why decent people would NOT be outraged and offended by the aforementioned antisemitic protesters.

Before I dismiss the rest of your post as yet another failed attempt at deflection, a few further matters of fact: Ben Gvir's visit of a Syrian Jewish synagogue, whether or not it is besides the point, is not a fact: it is at best a misunderstanding of a fact. Ben Gvir never set foot anywhere near the Syrian synangogue targeted by the Jew-hating group of protesters in question. And check out your excerpt tags. Probably an honest error, but they appear to be in the wrong place. Makes things unnecessarily confusing, as if the rest of your post already isn't.

AloeVera

(2,559 posts)
69. I can't believe I read all that. My poor brain.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 02:20 PM
7 hrs ago

Of course he didn't "set foot" in the place. The scheduled event was cancelled after the protest. Of course you "overlooked" this small detail in order to imply something misleading.

Btw I corrected that formatting error in the excerpt a mere minutes after posting. But thanks for your concern and vigilance!

Beastly Boy

(12,074 posts)
71. You realize that you are talking about two different synagogues, don't you?
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 04:13 PM
5 hrs ago

One is the synagogue in Crown Heights, where Ben Gvir did set foot (https://forward.com/fast-forward/715531/chabad-ben-gvir-crown-heights-protests/), and one near which the man withe Syrian accent was apprehended by the poice.

Ben Gvir did set foot in the Crown Heights synagogue, and he didn't set foot in the Gravesend synagogue.

Why do you keep conflating two entirely separate events? What is it that I am "overlooking", in quotation marks?

Remember, I am not the one who made the reference to your poor brain.

AloeVera

(2,559 posts)
76. Aah. The last tool in the tool box.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 05:19 PM
4 hrs ago

Last edited Mon Apr 28, 2025, 05:57 PM - Edit history (1)

Accuse me of something I didn't do or didn't say.

I know the difference between the two very separate events and locations. Both had Ben-Gvir genocidal monster scheduled to speak. The second one cancelled the event the same day it was scheduled, following the protest. You are now using the cancellation to assert he never set foot at the event. Which, while technically true of course, is a dishonest way of trying to assert I was wrong in stating that genocidal monster was sceduled to speak there. And that I was conflating and the other bullshit.

Dishonest debate hurts my brain. Yes, my brain is much poorer for being on the receiving end of dishonest nonsense.

Beastly Boy

(12,074 posts)
82. This might have worked on an Upper west side hipster, but not a veteran Brooklynite.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 06:59 PM
2 hrs ago

And it may have. Speaking of tools, the clueless keffiyeh-clad bigots likely picked the wrong synagogue for their antisemitic gathering. The one you keep referring to. The one in the video you keep bringing up. The one with the man who has a not Israeli accent.

Or else they didn't give a crap and picked a random one. A synagogue with Jews in it.

The only mention of a cancelled Ben Gvir event in Brooklyn I could find a reference to was to take place in Boro Park, some five miles away from Gravesend, (the location of the aforementioned Gravesend synagogue).(https://collive.com/israeli-minister-ben-gvir-to-visit-crown-heights-boro-park#:~:text=Israel%E2%80%99s%20National%20Security%20Minister%20Itamar%20Ben%20Gvir%20is,Crown%20Heights%20and%20Boro%20Park%20neighborhoods%20on%20Thursday.)

You see, I know what I am talking about, and you don't. Which puts your brain squarely on the giving end of a dishonest debate. A presumably comfortable position to function adequately, if one were to take your word for it.

AloeVera

(2,559 posts)
83. Let me help clear up your confusion. Here you go:
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 07:15 PM
2 hrs ago
On Sunday morning, another protest erupted in front of the Edmond J. Safra Synagogue in Gravesend, Brooklyn, according to the police and video footage. That synagogue is across the street from Congregation Shaare Zion, the synagogue where Mr. Ben-Gvir was expected to speak, according to members of both synagogues. His talk, which was scheduled for around 9:30 a.m., was canceled, the members said.

https://archive.is/2vk1s

Bolding mine.

Give it a rest now. Enjoy the evening.

Beastly Boy

(12,074 posts)
88. Closer than I expected, but a wrong synagogue nevertheless. And no Ben Gvir in sight.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 08:03 PM
1 hr ago

Wrong synagogue, no Ben Gvir, and they still went on with their vitriol and didn't disperse until way after the police arrived.

Can you tell me who they were targeting and who they were insulting?

Let me guess: random Zionist oppressors from nearby homes objecting to all the freedom fighting being hurled at them by keffiyeh-wearing strangers with covered faces who came to charge them with genocide.

Ben Gvir, Syrian Jews, what's the fucking difference?

AloeVera

(2,559 posts)
70. One last thing. You missed the irony.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 02:44 PM
7 hrs ago

A video that purports to show:

"Hamas supporters attacking Jews outside the Shaarie Zion Synagogue in Flatbush New York"

Does not actually depict any assault of Jews and ends with the arrest of a man who, by your own admission, is likely a local Jew of Syrian descent. In any case I'd wager he is not a "Hamas supporter".

I guess you missed both my point and the rather sad but almost funny irony of the misleading video description.

Have a nice day.

Beastly Boy

(12,074 posts)
72. It's not the irony that I am missing.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 04:21 PM
5 hrs ago

I am missing the purpose for deflecting from one event to a completely different event, in a different place, in a different time. There is nothing remotely resembling irony in this sleight of hand.

And I assure you, the man with the Syrian accent referred to in the post you are replying to is not a Hamas supporter, and was never referred to as one. So spare the quotation marks, you are about to run out of them soon.

Response to Beastly Boy (Reply #72)

Mosby

(18,409 posts)
74. The antisemites are emboldened.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 04:51 PM
4 hrs ago



All part of the playbook, turn minorities against each other and blame the Jews.

Violet_Crumble

(36,231 posts)
85. Yet there's evidence of excuse-making in this thread...
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 07:34 PM
2 hrs ago

And when excuses don't work, try diverting attention away from the attack. From what I can see (Twitter links aren't embedded for me and I'm not going to that cesspit to look), apparently speaking out against this enables hatred of Jews. That sort of 'logic' is the same as saying that speaking out against Hamas enables hatred of Arab and Muslims. Of course there's extremists who'll feel enabled, but in no way does that mean that we shouldn't speak out against hatred and injustice when we see it.

electric_blue68

(21,097 posts)
98. Damn, acting like effin' droogs! Thank goodness that cop got her out of there!
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 09:00 PM
50 min ago

The Pro-Palestinian protestors have a right to protect outside the synagogue where Gvir was speaking.

IF, however, some tried to, or got inside the synagogue to ?"fight Jews" that sure seems like criminal behavior, too!

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