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elocs

(24,132 posts)
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:57 AM 10 hrs ago

The American Empire is over.

Richard Wolff

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All world empires have eventually come to an end, some better than others.
Our sin in America has been one of national pride, hubris in that we could never anticipate or believe that our empire could ever end because that only happened to lesser nations who were not as great as we are. And yet, here we are.
Even if we recover from what Trump has done to us, the United States will never be the same again.
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The American Empire is over. (Original Post) elocs 10 hrs ago OP
I do not agree FarPoint 10 hrs ago #1
Agree 100 percent, FarPoint. We can't cave. Got to keep fighting for as long as it takes. Whatever it takes. wordstroken 10 hrs ago #2
If not we invent time travel and stop the rise of Limbaugh and Reagan! Initech 10 hrs ago #3
I can't find anything current or relevant with your recommendation... FarPoint 10 hrs ago #4
The propaganda started with Rush Limbaugh and Jimmy Swaggart. Initech 10 hrs ago #5
Yes... FarPoint 9 hrs ago #6
It looks like they were playing the long game...nt mitch96 9 hrs ago #8
I'd also go back in time and secretly sterilize the grandfathers of Sky Jewels 8 hrs ago #13
I can see countries that are close to Canada that have warm winters, will profiting from this.. mitch96 9 hrs ago #7
There are a number of YouTube videos about states that might want to join Canada, elocs 8 hrs ago #10
When the shelf become bare, maga will understand tfg's folly..Hopefully they will vote him out soon.. mitch96 9 hrs ago #9
Well, Trump can't be voted in or out again & impeachment w/o conviction is unsatisfying. elocs 8 hrs ago #11
The alternate universe fiction exists, albeit centuries into the future: it's called Star Trek 0rganism 7 hrs ago #16
Well, that alternative history misanthrope 6 hrs ago #19
My alternative history would have been one where Hillary Clinton beat Trump and elocs 4 hrs ago #20
Fair point, perhaps those wars are inevitable regardless of leadership 0rganism 4 hrs ago #21
Far too little, much too late. 0rganism 7 hrs ago #15
Sadly, that is the only thing they will care about misanthrope 6 hrs ago #18
I can't argue with his financial analysis, but his take on the Ukrainian situation is bullshit. flashman13 8 hrs ago #12
Sorry I'm not listening to this, nor will I recommend it FakeNoose 7 hrs ago #14
Richard Wolff is a Marxist and founding member of the Green Party. Mosby 7 hrs ago #17

FarPoint

(13,931 posts)
1. I do not agree
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 11:59 AM
10 hrs ago

I will not surrender.... Let's focus on winning back our losses.... Yes, it will take time to regain trust....We will do this and more...

wordstroken

(1,103 posts)
2. Agree 100 percent, FarPoint. We can't cave. Got to keep fighting for as long as it takes. Whatever it takes.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 12:07 PM
10 hrs ago

FarPoint

(13,931 posts)
4. I can't find anything current or relevant with your recommendation...
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 12:18 PM
10 hrs ago

Maybe you are trying to say Legacy News Media "entertainment" needs new journalistic parameters.... I agree with that.... I see online media sources taking over more and more each week....successful with factual broadcasting....

Initech

(104,574 posts)
5. The propaganda started with Rush Limbaugh and Jimmy Swaggart.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 12:22 PM
10 hrs ago

Last edited Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:15 PM - Edit history (1)

Nearly all of our current problems can be traced back to the rise of Rush Limbaugh, Swaggart, Limbaughism and the Reagan GOP. Reagan eliminated the Fairness Doctrine and Fox News was born out of that.

Sky Jewels

(9,130 posts)
13. I'd also go back in time and secretly sterilize the grandfathers of
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:57 PM
8 hrs ago

George H.W. Bush and Trump. That way we don't get that Nazi sympathizer/coup plotter Prescott Bush, let alone H.W. and Dubya and Jeb, et al. And we'd snuff out the Drumpf/Trump Nazi line.

mitch96

(15,144 posts)
7. I can see countries that are close to Canada that have warm winters, will profiting from this..
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 12:59 PM
9 hrs ago

It will be interesting to see what happens to Hollywood Beach Florida. A HUGE seasonal French Canadian
migration. Will the Toronto Blue Jays stop coming to west central Florida?
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elocs

(24,132 posts)
10. There are a number of YouTube videos about states that might want to join Canada,
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:34 PM
8 hrs ago

all of which at least having a geographic connection to Canada, others also having a cultural connection. A number of these states also have a dependence on Canada for their energy needs.
But for sure, the US tourism industry will be hurt by Canadians choosing to stay home or at least not visit the US this summer or next winter.

mitch96

(15,144 posts)
9. When the shelf become bare, maga will understand tfg's folly..Hopefully they will vote him out soon..
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:10 PM
9 hrs ago

Hello my congressman? Impeach him
Hello my senator? Impeach him
Hello my supreme court?...........
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elocs

(24,132 posts)
11. Well, Trump can't be voted in or out again & impeachment w/o conviction is unsatisfying.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:47 PM
8 hrs ago

He was already impeached twice a in his first term but not convicted.

I wonder...has anyone written an alternate universe novel with the election of Hillary in '16 as the subject? What a different world it would be now had that happened.

0rganism

(25,020 posts)
16. The alternate universe fiction exists, albeit centuries into the future: it's called Star Trek
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 02:57 PM
7 hrs ago

Unfortunately, we're on a different path now.

misanthrope

(8,695 posts)
19. Well, that alternative history
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 04:01 PM
6 hrs ago

Also had the Eugenics Wars in the 1990s and World War III began in 2026. It only became what it was because they developed complete mastery over both general and special relativity.

elocs

(24,132 posts)
20. My alternative history would have been one where Hillary Clinton beat Trump and
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 05:47 PM
4 hrs ago

all the changes that would have brought us. But that Trump was elected twice by Americans is one of the big reasons that the other free nations of the world do not trust us because they know we could elect another like Trump after he is gone, if he goes, that is.

0rganism

(25,020 posts)
21. Fair point, perhaps those wars are inevitable regardless of leadership
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 05:57 PM
4 hrs ago

But it did give us Ricardo Montalban's greatest screen performance

0rganism

(25,020 posts)
15. Far too little, much too late.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 02:54 PM
7 hrs ago

By this time next year, we won't even recognize our country. F47's crew is engaged in a complete demolition, a thorough rape, pillage, and plunder. They're playing it right, too: by thoroughly demolishing our legal system and upending our way of life the assholes protect themselves from legal consequences. The focus needs to be as much on rebuilding something better a it is on disabling individual saboteurs who've already done much of their work.

misanthrope

(8,695 posts)
18. Sadly, that is the only thing they will care about
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 03:53 PM
6 hrs ago

It has to hurt them for it to move their needle. All of it is an offshoot of this nation's worship of materialism and selfishness.

The U.S. is the blade humanity is using to slit its own throat.

flashman13

(1,164 posts)
12. I can't argue with his financial analysis, but his take on the Ukrainian situation is bullshit.
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 01:55 PM
8 hrs ago

FakeNoose

(37,235 posts)
14. Sorry I'm not listening to this, nor will I recommend it
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 02:40 PM
7 hrs ago

This guy is full of shit. The complicit right-wing media is 100% to blame for where we are now. Chump is 100% to blame for the rotten, corrupt politics of his administration, BUT the media got him into the White House TWICE!

I'm not going to listen to this guy deflecting it on the American people... like it's "our own fault."

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