Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

erronis

(19,273 posts)
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 06:04 PM 4 hrs ago

Ignorant Dilettantes Give Up on Ukraine -- Benjamin Wittes - Lawfare

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/the-situation--ignorant-dilettantes-give-up-on-ukraine

There is a point at which ignorant dilettantism becomes a form of cruelty. Trump passed it long ago in Ukraine.

. . .

Trump came into office promising that he would get a deal to stop the fighting in Ukraine within 24 hours.

His approach, as his critics worried it would, seemed to involve bullying Ukraine into accepting major concessions to Russian President Vladimir Putin and sidelining European allies who have been close partners in keeping Ukraine viable in the fight. In exchange for capitulating to Russian aggression, what would Ukraine get? Well, nothing good. No security guarantees. No NATO membership. Ukraine would, instead, have the honor of rapacious American exploitation of mineral resources—the United States having rebranded itself as the East India Tea Company.

There were only two problems with this plan—both of which were obvious from the beginning to just about everyone except Trump.

The first was that there was no earthly reason for Ukraine to accept a deal like this. Ukraine’s military situation was and is bad and eroding, but it’s not hopeless, and it’s eroding slowly. Russian gains are small, and while Ukraine has manpower issues, Russia does too and is losing people at a rate that will not be easy for it to sustain. Moreover, while the United States is an essential partner for Ukraine, Europe is stepping up, so Western support is not about to flip off. And Ukraine has also developed manufacturing capacity for an increasing amount of weaponry, particularly drones.

The second reason was that Russia has never shown any inclination to accept a deal that leaves Ukraine as a viable state. From the beginning, Russia has sought the obliteration of the independent Ukrainian state, the annexation of much of its territory, and the imposition on the rest of it of a Belarus-like client-state status. Putin has never made much secret of this, and the notion that he would agree to some kind of cease-fire in place while his forces are—while slowly and at great cost—advancing was always silly.

The deal Trump imagined wasn’t going to happen in 24 hours; it wasn’t going to happen in 24 days; and it’s probably not going to happen in 24 months.

. . .
1 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Ignorant Dilettantes Give Up on Ukraine -- Benjamin Wittes - Lawfare (Original Post) erronis 4 hrs ago OP
Trump's "Art of the Deal." Botany 4 hrs ago #1

Botany

(73,956 posts)
1. Trump's "Art of the Deal."
Mon Apr 28, 2025, 06:19 PM
4 hrs ago

Ukraine surrenders between 25 and 30% of its lands and people to Putin,
America gets minerals from under Ukrainian soil, Ukraine doesn’t get to
join NATO, and nothing happens to Vlad and his killers for their crimes. And
Btw Russia can keep flooding America with misinformation and can keep
fucking with our elections because Pam Bondi, Tulsi Gabbard, and Marco
Rubio are more than good with that too.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Ignorant Dilettantes Give...