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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhile we are focused on Padilla (and deservedly so)
I would just like to point out what Noem actually said she intends to do. Before they dragged a sitting US Senator out of the room (who HAD identified himself), she said this:
We are staying here to liberate the city from the socialists and the burdensome leadership that this governor and that this mayor have placed on this country."
As Ron Filipkowski just pointed out, "That's not what the military is supposed to do. That's called a military coup."
To put it even more plainly, they have no right to "liberate" California voters from the representatives and policies that the voters VOTED FOR IN CALIFORNIA. Nothing gives them that right.

Irish_Dem
(71,361 posts)senseandsensibility
(22,607 posts)I think this is a wakeup call for people who still need it.
Irish_Dem
(71,361 posts)It never is.
BComplex
(9,472 posts)And I think the blowback is going to be very serious.
senseandsensibility
(22,607 posts)and I am not usually overly optimistic about the mood of the country changing.
vapor2
(2,575 posts)Afraid of losing their jobs so makes me wonder. No fear of removing 14 million from Medicaid. Drunk with power and greed
druidity33
(6,748 posts)
DENVERPOPS
(12,709 posts)are clawing and scratching their way, to try to make sure THEY all get into that top 1% before the 99% are obliterated..........
As Trump probably points out to all of them: IF I GO, YOU GO........
lostnfound
(17,024 posts)With Palantir / Foundry and no ethical concerns, they can turn the screws on dissent. Possibilities are endless for pressure tactics.
Hornedfrog2000
(279 posts)And nobody did shit about it. When the russians burned documents when it was realized they helped trump win. They were removed from the country. Why? Why werent they arrested for being spies and helping undermine our election boggles my mind to this day. Democrats have done basically nothing but tell us to be patient. People are in denial.
OhioBack2Blue
(65 posts)See Nazi German occupation of France 1940-1944. Terms:
Collaborators
These Dem collaborators think they can make things better, during the fascist occupation of the Divided States of America, but they mostly make things much worse.
Example: Rep Mark Pocan, on Thom Hartman radio: We'll just have to make the best of it, weather it, work with them. (paraphrasing).
There are only 2 tactics proven in history to work: 1) standing up and speaking out against fascism. 2) we all know what #2 is.
lastlib
(26,133 posts)...and millions have been hitting snooze the entire time. I shake my head and wonder what it will take to get them to actually wake up and bring this futhermucker down.
RandomNumbers
(18,696 posts)Sorry but that is the real problem.
I am thoroughly disgusted with the people I know who voted for this shit.
But how do we fix it?
calimary
(86,763 posts)We CANT throw in the towel and give up. Thats something we just CANNOT do.
senseandsensibility
(22,607 posts)and although what's happening is meant to depress us, we can't let them succeed! Non violent protest is powerful and there is no reason we should abdicate that power.
rzemanfl
(30,633 posts)I am going to be 78 soon, but there must be something I can do.
Irish_Dem
(71,361 posts)rzemanfl
(30,633 posts)Irish_Dem
(71,361 posts)think so either. We need to push back hard. This disrespect they have for all of us and our country must be stopped. That Project 2025 needs to be burnt in front of their faces. Sorry, my rant.
Nonviolently of course, Saturday is the day. And the world will be watching.
pat_k
(11,357 posts)... And if there is somebody up there, a well-placed lightening strike would be quite nice.
Pope will be remotely transmitting a message from Rome to Chicago sometime in the Saturday afternoon.
OldBaldy1701E
(8,139 posts)rzemanfl
(30,633 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(8,139 posts)We need to address the things that have created the inequity that fueled this situation.
Otherwise, it will just happen again and again.
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RVN VET71
(2,926 posts)Noem actually said that these goons and ICE were they as "liberators". Sounds like something Castro might have said after Batista fled Cuba with the Rubio family.
Action, not words, now!
Jack Valentino
(2,469 posts)and on Saturday, in over 1500 cities, many will stand up and be counted....
If they cross the line to shoot American citizens who protest against them,
then all bets will be off.
Tumbulu
(6,557 posts)It is the T administration against the most populated and successful state in the former Union.
There is no more United States. It has been toppled before our eyes.
hamsterjill
(16,046 posts)As I've stated on here many times, I follow a former classmate on Facebook for shits and giggles. She is full on QAnon, and her page (which is public) is claiming that it's all starting - that martial law MUST be enacted to stop the Cabal, but that it will only be in place "for a little while".
Noem is stringing THESE idiots along for as LONG as she can so there's time to get the military in place and they don't realize what's happening.
If martial law is enacted, then it won't be "for just a little while".
malaise
(285,646 posts)They are going to liberate California from Newsom and Bass.- a fucking coup.
Uncle Joe
(62,054 posts)Thanks for the thread senseandsensibility
senseandsensibility
(22,607 posts)as depressing as it is, my friend. Still, I feel that this incident is energizing Democracy supporters in this country, and I hope that we can use it to that end.
haele
(14,324 posts)They will just pull out the old lie that "Millions of Undocumented People" voted and overwhelmed the votes of the Real Californians.
Anything to reinforce their fantasy.
And you know after her press conference, Noem had her driver and personal assistants take her down Rodeo Drive for a nice shopping trip.
bromeando
(124 posts)Autocrat showing her true colors
Cha
(312,248 posts)Thats a statement of WAR
surfered
(7,460 posts)Trust_Reality
(2,192 posts)They are fascist followers, chickens, and liars.
live love laugh
(15,488 posts)Think about it.
Karasu
(1,421 posts)bdamomma
(68,594 posts)good, they are thrusting themselves over state leaders and state rights. This is all Stephen Miller orders he wants his White Nationalist Country.
They are assaulting the state of California and its people.
senseandsensibility
(22,607 posts)of our response.
live love laugh
(15,488 posts)
TBF
(35,140 posts)Kristi Noem can f off
LymphocyteLover
(8,203 posts)0rganism
(25,193 posts)Star Wars has put forth some mediocre content, but still goes hard for analogies.
ancianita
(40,732 posts)Gov Newsom should issue an executive order that flights from Washington, DC be banned from landing in CA.
The administration attacks CA, provokes rightful defense by CA.
Gangster tyrants attack and declare the victim's defense "attack".
Before the US, the felon's and his loyalist capos' promote their Big Lie against CA.
LostOne4Ever
(9,668 posts)They plan to subvert the democratically elected government to force their will on a people who do not want it!
Damn corrupt fascist!
live love laugh
(15,488 posts)senseandsensibility
(22,607 posts)She has made her objectives clear. And I am glad that she did because we can use it to fight those objectives.
GiqueCee
(2,377 posts)... and Republican filth say, "Yeah? So what?"
That tells you all you need to know about these evil swine. Padilla had better press charges; letting this slide is NOT an option. NOT doing so only empowers them further. He has a civic duty to hang these fuckers by their short curlies. Figuratively speaking, of course. Heh, heh, heh.
flashman13
(1,316 posts)Justice matters.
(8,492 posts)2025 Republican Party
eppur_se_muova
(39,191 posts)I didn't know that the Governor of a state could impose burdens on the whole country, much less that a Mayor could.
Every time blue states try to enforce their own voter-sanctioned -- and sometimes voter-initiated -- policies, Uglicans decide they must sacrifice their "states' rights" -- which are only occasionally paramount to Uglicans -- to the diktat of His Royal Majesty and the openly extremist subversives who put him in power.
Noem is obviously hoping to inherit the mantle of MAGA leadership after Turnip is toast, so she's trying to be at least as "Trumpy" as Turnip himself.
Hekate
(98,234 posts)
their plans for years. So here we are: on the threshold of a military coup.
dchill
(42,660 posts)SunSeeker
(56,041 posts)She is attempting an insurrection against the California state government, and to overturn the will of California voters.
senseandsensibility
(22,607 posts)to her message.
annielion
(48 posts)First, the exit polls are garbage. No one is monitoring the media, who give us the exit poll info. Second, many of the pre-election polls are also garbage, created by Republicans to skew the polls. Third, there is a great deal of day of election evidence of anomalous votes, showing the election was stolen. The proof of this is coming.
SmartElections.us , a nonpartisan watchdog group, is in the discovery phase of a lawsuit regarding evidence of anomalous votes in Rockland County, New York. SmartElections.us is comparing the ballots in Rockland, New York to the evidence. They may have the proof by September, their next trial date.
ElectionTruthAlliance.org (ETA) is a non-profit, non-partisan organization formed after the 2024 election. They have a great deal of evidence of anomalous votes. They want to do a forensic audit of 3 counties in Pennsylvania but so far the Secretary of State of Pennsylvania is not giving them permission to see the ballots. ETA may have to sue Pennsylvania to get access of ballots in the state.
There is encouraging information at both of these websites.
Joinfortmill
(18,265 posts)JI7
(92,133 posts)rurallib
(63,826 posts)to read all the comments
Nigrum Cattus
(662 posts)Mme. Defarge
(8,719 posts)stillcool
(34,327 posts)she pushed every button I didn't know I had. Enjoy! And those few sentences about freeing the state, not leaving the state are all over the place. It's scary stuff
Mme. Defarge
(8,719 posts)
stillcool
(34,327 posts)
spanone
(139,413 posts)JFC
JustAnotherGen
(35,399 posts)Wingus Dingus
(9,113 posts)I didn't know they sent in military to depose California's elected leaders. That's something very different.
Attilatheblond
(6,406 posts)Homan called for arresting CA Governor and LA Mayor. Can he cite one single law they have violated? NO! He just wants them locked up because they dared to go beyond 'a strongly worded letter'. THAT, ladies & gents is America under the Trump regime; lock up those who will not be silent to a fascist takeover and military force in our streets, masked men (without identification or warrants) kidnapping at will, and self appointed vigilantes posing as ICE agents doing what the hell they want just because they bought a tactical vest and pinned on some phony insignia or label.
If Trump had half a brain, he'd be cancelling any/all appearances. The people who want total control don't really need him anymore but know he could be more helpful to them as a rally cry rather than the pretend 'leader' he plays on TV
orchidlady
(19 posts)her reason for doing this is... ideological!!
no crime, just... political inclination. one they've demonized to an orwellian degree for decades.
not likely to fly in court. assuming courts will continue to be allowed.
Grins
(8,513 posts)Show me where that is in your job description? THATS NOT YOUR JOB!!!!
raccoon
(31,901 posts)But it wouldn't register with an idiot like her.
senseandsensibility
(22,607 posts)Good for him!
underpants
(191,132 posts)Shes a member of the cabinet for Fs sake.
SheltieLover
(70,414 posts)
BigmanPigman
(53,230 posts)and bite her into tiny, little chew toys. This vial *$%# needs to be "put down" for real, permanently.
DFW
(58,304 posts)She is just jealous.
And how much longer do we have to endure this "socialist" BS coming from Republican mouths. The ones whose actions, events and pronouncements most resemble those of the failed socialist regimes of the past are the Republicans themselves. If you want to find some socialists, oh Republican clowns, do not look to Democrats, but, rather, in the mirror. You may not be for anything that is part of the socialist ideal, but you in every way represent the worst of what socialism becomes when put into practice by control freaks looking for a pretext to control people.
kkmarie
(204 posts)Does that mean Krasnov wants to "own California " ? You know for it's riches? California has the only rare earth mineral mine in the states. Between the mine and the California coffers it would make Krasnov "bigly " rich
Sure he likes the power of this all, but his bottom line is money
https://californiacurated.com/2025/01/29/the-mountain-pass-mine-in-california-may-be-the-u-s-rare-earths-game-changer/
flamingdem
(40,521 posts)Going forward Trump will have consolidated power. It will be quite the task to remove him and his minions.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,574 posts)Red America has declared war.
Heftylefty
(13 posts)I believe the troops were sent not only to assist ICE and quell protests, but to be in place for the "No Kings Day" demonstrations. If a violent encounter between troops and demonstrators was provoked, it could be used to invoke the Insurrection Act, possibly declare martial law, and provide further credence to the claim that the Democratic state and city leaders were incapable of governing or maintaining order. I realize this is a bit far-fetched, but considering all of the events of the last six months that we never thought could happen, not improbable. Fortunately, those protesting kept the demonstrations peaceful, and this scenario didn't unfold.
senseandsensibility
(22,607 posts)and welcome to DU!