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senseandsensibility

(22,607 posts)
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 04:34 PM Jun 12

While we are focused on Padilla (and deservedly so)

I would just like to point out what Noem actually said she intends to do. Before they dragged a sitting US Senator out of the room (who HAD identified himself), she said this:
We are staying here to liberate the city from the socialists and the burdensome leadership that this governor and that this mayor have placed on this country."

As Ron Filipkowski just pointed out, "That's not what the military is supposed to do. That's called a military coup."

To put it even more plainly, they have no right to "liberate" California voters from the representatives and policies that the voters VOTED FOR IN CALIFORNIA. Nothing gives them that right.

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While we are focused on Padilla (and deservedly so) (Original Post) senseandsensibility Jun 12 OP
We have lost our democracy. Irish_Dem Jun 12 #1
I'm not that pessemistic senseandsensibility Jun 12 #2
We keep thinking that the new thing will be the final straw. Irish_Dem Jun 12 #4
I disagree, Irish_Dem: I think this has made it really clear where we're headed with the republicans of today. BComplex Jun 12 #40
I'm sensing that too senseandsensibility Jun 12 #55
Appears that republicans are not vapor2 Jun 12 #66
Repub legislators need to Stand Up. Otherwise the blowback is meaningless. nt. druidity33 Jun 13 #74
The Republican Legislators DENVERPOPS Jun 13 #79
Maybe. But power concentration is unprecedented. Imagine if they weaponize access to credit cards and bank access. lostnfound Jun 13 #82
The wakeup call was 2015 Hornedfrog2000 Jun 12 #13
Vichy Dems OhioBack2Blue Jun 13 #70
Rump and his minions have been giving us "wake-up calls" for ten years..... lastlib Jun 12 #43
And millions have been VOTING FOR THIS RandomNumbers Jun 13 #75
Not sure exactly what to do about it but I know what we CAN'T do. calimary Jun 13 #80
Absolutely not senseandsensibility Jun 13 #81
Need to get another one, without these fascist assholes. rzemanfl Jun 12 #3
I keep thinking the same. Irish_Dem Jun 12 #5
I don't think folks are going to wait much longer. n/t rzemanfl Jun 12 #6
I keep thinking that too, but nothing happens to the jackwads. Irish_Dem Jun 12 #11
I don't bdamomma Jun 12 #29
May our numbers be amazing -- and may the t-storms in DC wash out 47's bullshit pat_k Jun 12 #64
Well the bdamomma Jun 13 #71
We need to get a BETTER one. Why continue the bias? (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Jun 12 #17
What about "without these assholes" wasn't clear? rzemanfl Jun 12 #18
Removing the 'assholes' is the start, not the culmination. OldBaldy1701E Jun 13 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author rzemanfl Jun 12 #19
It's almost gone. The time to act is now. RVN VET71 Jun 12 #27
I think many people, much like me, are engaged in a "slow burn" over everything going on---- Jack Valentino Jun 12 #65
This is a war declaration. Tumbulu Jun 12 #7
It is Noem explaining to her idiot followers WHY the military is being put in place. hamsterjill Jun 12 #25
Which is why I told all DUers to make sure they hear every word she said malaise Jun 12 #8
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe Jun 12 #9
Thanks for reading senseandsensibility Jun 12 #16
Even using the Californians voted for this statement won't convince Nazis they're overstepping... haele Jun 12 #10
Noem bromeando Jun 12 #12
JHC WTHF!! Cha Jun 12 #14
I thought she was an advocate of state's rights. I guess she has no principles. surfered Jun 12 #15
I am not aware of any "R" politicians or Rump appointee who has ANY principles or integrity. Trust_Reality Jun 12 #24
States rights aren't "city" rights.... live love laugh Jun 12 #36
They dropped that ancient lie like a fucking hot potato as soon as they got the fascist government of their wet dreams. Karasu Jun 12 #57
This is not bdamomma Jun 12 #20
I really think this needs to be the focus senseandsensibility Jun 12 #21
Stay tuned more to come... live love laugh Jun 12 #38
In solidarity with the socialists of CA - TBF Jun 12 #22
fucking outrageous and evil LymphocyteLover Jun 12 #23
Gavin Newsom:Bail Organa::California: Alderaan::Donald Trump:Sheev Palpatine 0rganism Jun 12 #26
Due to the president's his administration's harms done through word and deed against named CA leaders, ancianita Jun 12 #28
She doesn't know the difference between a liberation and occupation! LostOne4Ever Jun 12 #30
Doesn't know or doesn't care? live love laugh Jun 12 #37
At this point I wonder if it matters senseandsensibility Jun 12 #49
Noem shot a puppy... GiqueCee Jun 12 #31
The propaganda BS machine is running white hot. Liberation is everywhere and nowhere. flashman13 Jun 12 #32
Police and guards are everywhere. Justice is nowhere. Justice matters. Jun 12 #47
Thank you for this very necessary post. eppur_se_muova Jun 12 #33
The trump admin doesn't leave anything to the imagination anymore. They've been telling us... Hekate Jun 12 #34
We've all been shot in the face. dchill Jun 12 #35
As bad as the assault on Padilla was, what Noem said was worse. SunSeeker Jun 12 #39
I hope that this incident calls attention senseandsensibility Jun 12 #41
We won't have Trump or Vance for a total of 4 years. annielion Jun 12 #42
Wow. Thank you for this. Should be post of its own. Joinfortmill Jun 13 #76
Dog killing seems rapist supporting trash JI7 Jun 12 #44
Marking for tomorrow rurallib Jun 12 #45
I say "liberate this !" Nigrum Cattus Jun 12 #46
Source? Mme. Defarge Jun 12 #48
The press conference? stillcool Jun 12 #53
Merci! Mme. Defarge Jun 12 #61
happy to! stillcool Jun 12 #63
K&R spanone Jun 12 #50
She Declared War JustAnotherGen Jun 12 #51
I thought they were there to round up and deport illegal immigrants. Wingus Dingus Jun 12 #52
Combine what she and Tom Homan (neither of them very bright or stratigic) said and we know where it's going Attilatheblond Jun 12 #54
moreover.... orchidlady Jun 12 #56
"We are...here to liberate the city from the socialists and ....(the) governor" Grins Jun 12 #58
I wish somebody could remind the blockhead that her parents and grandparents get that "socialist" Medicare. raccoon Jun 13 #68
Chris Hayes is covering this aspect right now! senseandsensibility Jun 12 #59
Just another cultist trying to outdo the rest of the cult underpants Jun 12 #60
Kick SheltieLover Jun 12 #62
I wish her poor, dead dog would get KARMA BigmanPigman Jun 13 #67
Yeah, but California has SOOOO many more people than South Dakota DFW Jun 13 #69
What's Krasnov's game? Regime wants to liberate California kkmarie Jun 13 #73
Let's face it. They're going to get most of what they want flamingdem Jun 13 #77
This is "Fort Sumpter" ThoughtCriminal Jun 13 #78
Troops in LA Heftylefty Tuesday #83
That's possible senseandsensibility Tuesday #84

BComplex

(9,472 posts)
40. I disagree, Irish_Dem: I think this has made it really clear where we're headed with the republicans of today.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 06:49 PM
Jun 12

And I think the blowback is going to be very serious.

senseandsensibility

(22,607 posts)
55. I'm sensing that too
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 08:02 PM
Jun 12

and I am not usually overly optimistic about the mood of the country changing.

vapor2

(2,575 posts)
66. Appears that republicans are not
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 10:29 PM
Jun 12

Afraid of losing their jobs so makes me wonder. No fear of removing 14 million from Medicaid. Drunk with power and greed

DENVERPOPS

(12,709 posts)
79. The Republican Legislators
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 01:34 PM
Jun 13

are clawing and scratching their way, to try to make sure THEY all get into that top 1% before the 99% are obliterated..........

As Trump probably points out to all of them: IF I GO, YOU GO........

lostnfound

(17,024 posts)
82. Maybe. But power concentration is unprecedented. Imagine if they weaponize access to credit cards and bank access.
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 05:08 PM
Jun 13

With Palantir / Foundry and no ethical concerns, they can turn the screws on dissent. Possibilities are endless for pressure tactics.

Hornedfrog2000

(279 posts)
13. The wakeup call was 2015
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:03 PM
Jun 12

And nobody did shit about it. When the russians burned documents when it was realized they helped trump win. They were removed from the country. Why? Why werent they arrested for being spies and helping undermine our election boggles my mind to this day. Democrats have done basically nothing but tell us to be patient. People are in denial.

OhioBack2Blue

(65 posts)
70. Vichy Dems
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 06:00 AM
Jun 13
Democrats have done basically nothing but tell us to be patient. People are in denial.


See Nazi German occupation of France 1940-1944. Terms:
Collaborators
These Dem collaborators think they can make things better, during the fascist occupation of the Divided States of America, but they mostly make things much worse.

Example: Rep Mark Pocan, on Thom Hartman radio: We'll just have to make the best of it, weather it, work with them. (paraphrasing).

There are only 2 tactics proven in history to work: 1) standing up and speaking out against fascism. 2) we all know what #2 is.

lastlib

(26,133 posts)
43. Rump and his minions have been giving us "wake-up calls" for ten years.....
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 06:56 PM
Jun 12

...and millions have been hitting snooze the entire time. I shake my head and wonder what it will take to get them to actually wake up and bring this futhermucker down.

RandomNumbers

(18,696 posts)
75. And millions have been VOTING FOR THIS
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 10:03 AM
Jun 13

Sorry but that is the real problem.

I am thoroughly disgusted with the people I know who voted for this shit.

But how do we fix it?

calimary

(86,763 posts)
80. Not sure exactly what to do about it but I know what we CAN'T do.
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 03:19 PM
Jun 13

We CAN’T throw in the towel and give up. That’s something we just CANNOT do.

senseandsensibility

(22,607 posts)
81. Absolutely not
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 03:22 PM
Jun 13

and although what's happening is meant to depress us, we can't let them succeed! Non violent protest is powerful and there is no reason we should abdicate that power.

rzemanfl

(30,633 posts)
3. Need to get another one, without these fascist assholes.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 04:44 PM
Jun 12

I am going to be 78 soon, but there must be something I can do.

bdamomma

(68,594 posts)
29. I don't
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:47 PM
Jun 12

think so either. We need to push back hard. This disrespect they have for all of us and our country must be stopped. That Project 2025 needs to be burnt in front of their faces. Sorry, my rant.

Nonviolently of course, Saturday is the day. And the world will be watching.

pat_k

(11,357 posts)
64. May our numbers be amazing -- and may the t-storms in DC wash out 47's bullshit
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 10:09 PM
Jun 12

... And if there is somebody up there, a well-placed lightening strike would be quite nice.

bdamomma

(68,594 posts)
71. Well the
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 07:08 AM
Jun 13

Pope will be remotely transmitting a message from Rome to Chicago sometime in the Saturday afternoon.

OldBaldy1701E

(8,139 posts)
72. Removing the 'assholes' is the start, not the culmination.
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 07:39 AM
Jun 13

We need to address the things that have created the inequity that fueled this situation.

Otherwise, it will just happen again and again.

Response to OldBaldy1701E (Reply #17)

RVN VET71

(2,926 posts)
27. It's almost gone. The time to act is now.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:47 PM
Jun 12

Noem actually said that these goons and ICE were they as "liberators". Sounds like something Castro might have said after Batista fled Cuba with the Rubio family.

Action, not words, now!

Jack Valentino

(2,469 posts)
65. I think many people, much like me, are engaged in a "slow burn" over everything going on----
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 10:27 PM
Jun 12

and on Saturday, in over 1500 cities, many will stand up and be counted....


If they cross the line to shoot American citizens who protest against them,
then all bets will be off.

Tumbulu

(6,557 posts)
7. This is a war declaration.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 04:48 PM
Jun 12

It is the T administration against the most populated and successful state in the former Union.

There is no more United States. It has been toppled before our eyes.

hamsterjill

(16,046 posts)
25. It is Noem explaining to her idiot followers WHY the military is being put in place.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:42 PM
Jun 12

As I've stated on here many times, I follow a former classmate on Facebook for shits and giggles. She is full on QAnon, and her page (which is public) is claiming that it's all starting - that martial law MUST be enacted to stop the Cabal, but that it will only be in place "for a little while".

Noem is stringing THESE idiots along for as LONG as she can so there's time to get the military in place and they don't realize what's happening.

If martial law is enacted, then it won't be "for just a little while".

malaise

(285,646 posts)
8. Which is why I told all DUers to make sure they hear every word she said
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 04:49 PM
Jun 12

They are going to liberate California from Newsom and Bass.- a fucking coup.

senseandsensibility

(22,607 posts)
16. Thanks for reading
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:06 PM
Jun 12

as depressing as it is, my friend. Still, I feel that this incident is energizing Democracy supporters in this country, and I hope that we can use it to that end.

haele

(14,324 posts)
10. Even using the Californians voted for this statement won't convince Nazis they're overstepping...
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 04:53 PM
Jun 12

They will just pull out the old lie that "Millions of Undocumented People" voted and overwhelmed the votes of the Real Californians.
Anything to reinforce their fantasy.
And you know after her press conference, Noem had her driver and personal assistants take her down Rodeo Drive for a nice shopping trip.

Trust_Reality

(2,192 posts)
24. I am not aware of any "R" politicians or Rump appointee who has ANY principles or integrity.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:41 PM
Jun 12

They are fascist followers, chickens, and liars.

Karasu

(1,421 posts)
57. They dropped that ancient lie like a fucking hot potato as soon as they got the fascist government of their wet dreams.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 08:13 PM
Jun 12

bdamomma

(68,594 posts)
20. This is not
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:32 PM
Jun 12

good, they are thrusting themselves over state leaders and state rights. This is all Stephen Miller orders he wants his White Nationalist Country.

They are assaulting the state of California and its people.

0rganism

(25,193 posts)
26. Gavin Newsom:Bail Organa::California: Alderaan::Donald Trump:Sheev Palpatine
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:42 PM
Jun 12

Star Wars has put forth some mediocre content, but still goes hard for analogies.

ancianita

(40,732 posts)
28. Due to the president's his administration's harms done through word and deed against named CA leaders,
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:47 PM
Jun 12

Gov Newsom should issue an executive order that flights from Washington, DC be banned from landing in CA.

The administration attacks CA, provokes rightful defense by CA.

Gangster tyrants attack and declare the victim's defense "attack".

Before the US, the felon's and his loyalist capos' promote their Big Lie against CA.

LostOne4Ever

(9,668 posts)
30. She doesn't know the difference between a liberation and occupation!
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:49 PM
Jun 12

They plan to subvert the democratically elected government to force their will on a people who do not want it!

Damn corrupt fascist!

senseandsensibility

(22,607 posts)
49. At this point I wonder if it matters
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 07:29 PM
Jun 12

She has made her objectives clear. And I am glad that she did because we can use it to fight those objectives.

GiqueCee

(2,377 posts)
31. Noem shot a puppy...
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 05:54 PM
Jun 12

... and Republican filth say, "Yeah? So what?"
That tells you all you need to know about these evil swine. Padilla had better press charges; letting this slide is NOT an option. NOT doing so only empowers them further. He has a civic duty to hang these fuckers by their short curlies. Figuratively speaking, of course. Heh, heh, heh.

eppur_se_muova

(39,191 posts)
33. Thank you for this very necessary post.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 06:20 PM
Jun 12

I didn't know that the Governor of a state could impose burdens on the whole country, much less that a Mayor could.

Every time blue states try to enforce their own voter-sanctioned -- and sometimes voter-initiated -- policies, Uglicans decide they must sacrifice their "states' rights" -- which are only occasionally paramount to Uglicans -- to the diktat of His Royal Majesty and the openly extremist subversives who put him in power.

Noem is obviously hoping to inherit the mantle of MAGA leadership after Turnip is toast, so she's trying to be at least as "Trumpy" as Turnip himself.

Hekate

(98,234 posts)
34. The trump admin doesn't leave anything to the imagination anymore. They've been telling us...
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 06:20 PM
Jun 12

…their plans for years. So here we are: on the threshold of a military coup.

SunSeeker

(56,041 posts)
39. As bad as the assault on Padilla was, what Noem said was worse.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 06:49 PM
Jun 12

She is attempting an insurrection against the California state government, and to overturn the will of California voters.

annielion

(48 posts)
42. We won't have Trump or Vance for a total of 4 years.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 06:53 PM
Jun 12

First, the exit polls are garbage. No one is monitoring the media, who give us the exit poll info. Second, many of the pre-election polls are also garbage, created by Republicans to skew the polls. Third, there is a great deal of day of election evidence of anomalous votes, showing the election was stolen. The proof of this is coming.
SmartElections.us , a nonpartisan watchdog group, is in the discovery phase of a lawsuit regarding evidence of anomalous votes in Rockland County, New York. SmartElections.us is comparing the ballots in Rockland, New York to the evidence. They may have the proof by September, their next trial date.
ElectionTruthAlliance.org (ETA) is a non-profit, non-partisan organization formed after the 2024 election. They have a great deal of evidence of anomalous votes. They want to do a forensic audit of 3 counties in Pennsylvania but so far the Secretary of State of Pennsylvania is not giving them permission to see the ballots. ETA may have to sue Pennsylvania to get access of ballots in the state.
There is encouraging information at both of these websites.

stillcool

(34,327 posts)
53. The press conference?
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 07:44 PM
Jun 12
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-noem-holds-briefing-on-immigration-raids-and-response-to-los-angeles-protests

she pushed every button I didn't know I had. Enjoy! And those few sentences about freeing the state, not leaving the state are all over the place. It's scary stuff

Wingus Dingus

(9,113 posts)
52. I thought they were there to round up and deport illegal immigrants.
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 07:44 PM
Jun 12

I didn't know they sent in military to depose California's elected leaders. That's something very different.

Attilatheblond

(6,406 posts)
54. Combine what she and Tom Homan (neither of them very bright or stratigic) said and we know where it's going
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 07:50 PM
Jun 12

Homan called for arresting CA Governor and LA Mayor. Can he cite one single law they have violated? NO! He just wants them locked up because they dared to go beyond 'a strongly worded letter'. THAT, ladies & gents is America under the Trump regime; lock up those who will not be silent to a fascist takeover and military force in our streets, masked men (without identification or warrants) kidnapping at will, and self appointed vigilantes posing as ICE agents doing what the hell they want just because they bought a tactical vest and pinned on some phony insignia or label.

If Trump had half a brain, he'd be cancelling any/all appearances. The people who want total control don't really need him anymore but know he could be more helpful to them as a rally cry rather than the pretend 'leader' he plays on TV

orchidlady

(19 posts)
56. moreover....
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 08:07 PM
Jun 12

her reason for doing this is... ideological!!

no crime, just... political inclination. one they've demonized to an orwellian degree for decades.

not likely to fly in court. assuming courts will continue to be allowed.

Grins

(8,513 posts)
58. "We are...here to liberate the city from the socialists and ....(the) governor"
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 08:13 PM
Jun 12

Show me where that is in your job description? THAT’S NOT YOUR JOB!!!!

raccoon

(31,901 posts)
68. I wish somebody could remind the blockhead that her parents and grandparents get that "socialist" Medicare.
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 05:22 AM
Jun 13

But it wouldn't register with an idiot like her.

underpants

(191,132 posts)
60. Just another cultist trying to outdo the rest of the cult
Thu Jun 12, 2025, 08:20 PM
Jun 12

She’s a member of the cabinet for F’s sake.

BigmanPigman

(53,230 posts)
67. I wish her poor, dead dog would get KARMA
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 01:56 AM
Jun 13

and bite her into tiny, little chew toys. This vial *$%# needs to be "put down" for real, permanently.

DFW

(58,304 posts)
69. Yeah, but California has SOOOO many more people than South Dakota
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 05:46 AM
Jun 13

She is just jealous.

And how much longer do we have to endure this "socialist" BS coming from Republican mouths. The ones whose actions, events and pronouncements most resemble those of the failed socialist regimes of the past are the Republicans themselves. If you want to find some socialists, oh Republican clowns, do not look to Democrats, but, rather, in the mirror. You may not be for anything that is part of the socialist ideal, but you in every way represent the worst of what socialism becomes when put into practice by control freaks looking for a pretext to control people.

kkmarie

(204 posts)
73. What's Krasnov's game? Regime wants to liberate California
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 08:54 AM
Jun 13

Does that mean Krasnov wants to "own California " ? You know for it's riches? California has the only rare earth mineral mine in the states. Between the mine and the California coffers it would make Krasnov "bigly " rich
Sure he likes the power of this all, but his bottom line is money

https://californiacurated.com/2025/01/29/the-mountain-pass-mine-in-california-may-be-the-u-s-rare-earths-game-changer/

flamingdem

(40,521 posts)
77. Let's face it. They're going to get most of what they want
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 11:10 AM
Jun 13

Going forward Trump will have consolidated power. It will be quite the task to remove him and his minions.

Heftylefty

(13 posts)
83. Troops in LA
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 01:00 PM
Tuesday

I believe the troops were sent not only to assist ICE and quell protests, but to be in place for the "No Kings Day" demonstrations. If a violent encounter between troops and demonstrators was provoked, it could be used to invoke the Insurrection Act, possibly declare martial law, and provide further credence to the claim that the Democratic state and city leaders were incapable of governing or maintaining order. I realize this is a bit far-fetched, but considering all of the events of the last six months that we never thought could happen, not improbable. Fortunately, those protesting kept the demonstrations peaceful, and this scenario didn't unfold.

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