At least 13 killed in Israel after days of conflict with Iran

[sarisataka]

At least 13 killed in Israel after days of conflict with Iran

At least 13 people, including three minors, have been killed in Israel after days of conflict with Iran, the Israeli government said Sunday.

Ten people were killed in the attacks overnight and at least 385 people were injured, with seven in a serious condition, the government said.

Over 200 rocket launches were reported overnight, the government added, with 22 impact sites identified.

Three people died in attacks the previous night.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-strikes-news-06-15-25#cmbxgpe8b00003b6tc1ismkmi

I have seen other reports identifying at least four of the dead were young women.
Why aren’t we hearing that most of those killed by Iran are mostly women and children?

[Walleye]

1. This looks like it's gonna be a shooting war. don't see how they pull back from the brink this time.

I hope they do though. Israel does have nukes

[AloeVera]

2. At least half of the dead in Iran are civilians.

According to a US-based human rights group.

Israel’s strikes have killed at least 406 people in Iran and wounded another 654, according to a human rights group that has long tracked the country, Washington-based Human Rights Activists. Iran’s government has not offered overall casualty figures.
....
Human Rights Activists said its count showed at least 197 civilians and 90 members of the military have been killed across Iran. The group crosschecks local reports against a network of local sources.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/11242479/israel-iran-strikes-june-15-deaths/amp/

What Iran says:

At least 128 people were killed by Israeli attacks across Iran on Friday and Saturday, Iran’s Health Ministry has been quoted by local media as saying. The Etemaad Daily cited the ministry as saying that around 900 injured individuals were admitted to hospital. At least 40 women, as well as several children, were reported among the victims.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025/6/15/bombardment-strikes-deaths-in-third-day-of-fierce-israel-iran-conflict


This could be why:

An Israeli airstrike on a residential building in downtown Tehran killed 5 people, Iranian state TV reported on Sunday.

“A residential building was targeted in the centre of Tehran, killing five people,” the broadcaster said, adding that the death toll may rise due to the densely populated area in central Tehran where the strike hit.

Israel is assassinating nuclear scientists and military leadership. Their families and neighbours are just "collateral damage" in Israel's "unique" moral universe.

[Beastly Boy]

4. At least all of the dead in Israel are civilians.

Apparently, on direct orders of Iran's supreme leader (https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-857839)

At least 30% of them are West Bank Palestinians. Not a single legitimate military target hit.

Iran is targeting and murdering civilians. All of their victims, without exception, are "collateral damage".

Where is the outrage?

[AloeVera]

10. Oh please.

Israel gave up its right to moral outrage a long time ago.

Nobody likes a bully agressor bent on genocide, land theft and regional hegemony by destroying other nations' infrastructure, civilian homes and military.

The blood of all innocents is on Netanyahu's hands. Bloody murdering psychopath. The problem is too many Israelis keep voting for him and defending him. When are you gonna stop defending his murderous policies? Just a rhetorical question of course.

[Beastly Boy]

14. But the terrorist gang in Gaza funded by the homicidal religious nutcases in Iran kept theirs.

Good of you to clearly articulate where your values are.

Apparently some people like a bully aggressor bent on genocide and regional hegemony by destroying other nations' infrastructure, civilian homes and military. As long as they hate dogs, women, non-binary people, their own non-Shia citizens, all of Sunni Arabs, Jews and democracy. Not necessarily in that order.

Duly noted.

[Mosby]

3. Why aren't we hearing about how Iran is firing ballistic missles at civilians?

Nt.

[Bettie]

7. They are at war

A war that Netanyahu chose to start.

Did you expect airdrops of stuffed animals and flowers?

All of these people would still be alive if not for Netanyahu’s first strike.

Now, we’re likely to see Taco send our troops to die for Israel.

[Beastly Boy]

18. I expect them to hit military targets. All of these people would still be alive if this were the case.

BTW, it was Iran's supreme leader who chose to strike first (https://web.archive.org/web/20240731212545/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/31/world/middleeast/iran-orders-attack-israel.html). And it wasn't stuffed animals and flowers.

[AloeVera]

26. Unintentionally ironic..

"I expect them to hit military targets. All of these people would still be alive if this were the case."

The tens of thousand of dead children and civilians in Gaza would agree with your sentiment. Unfortunately they're all dead.

But you could still ask the 5,000++ child amputees or the tens of thousands with other life-altering, horrific injuries. They would all validate your "expectations" I'm sure.

Having double standards can sometimes lead to self-owns. A hazard of the trade, so to speak.

[Beastly Boy]

37. It is only ironic if you get to completely ignore the intentions

of Hamas leaders who for over a year bragged about intentionally, as their tactical objective, hiding their military assets behind Gazan civilians. The rulers of Gaza took every opportunity to celebrate every death, every amputation, every injury as a major victory. They didn't hide any of it, yet these overt displays of culpability on their part are being routinely ignored, the Geneva conventions be damned.

Speaking of double standards. Don't compare this contempt for the lives of their subjects on Hamas' part to how Israel protects its civilians.

[AloeVera]

39. "Hamas made me do it".

And even though I did it, I still expect others to treat me as I did not treat them.

Ironic. Brutal.

[Beastly Boy]

41. No, Hamas did it. All by themselves. And they are proud of it.

Brutal? Yes, unbelievably so. Ironic? That's one way to look at their brutality.

[TheBadWolf]

36. Christ, the irony of such a response.. n/t

[AloeVera]

13. Maybe they are human shields. N/T.

[Beastly Boy]

15. Shielding what?

Iran didn't target a single military asset in Israel. Not a single IDF soldier. Not one.

[AloeVera]

17. How does a ballistic missile target an Israeli soldier?

Asking for a friend.

[Beastly Boy]

19. By George, your friend got it! It doesn't. It strikes random civilians.

Ask your friend if this was a rhetorical question.

[AloeVera]

20. Israel has control over Gaza and Iran's skies and even with precision bombs and "surgical strikes"

...has somehow managed to kill tens of thousands of civilians in Gaza and 40 times as many civilians in Iran than Iran has killed Israeli civilians - while limited to very imprecise missiles and no control over Israel's skies.

As if Israel exercised any restraint after Oct 7th. But that was justified, right? Rhetorical lol.

Oh but the horror of civilians being killed! Yes, it is a horror. This is what we've felt for 20 months - we know.

[Beastly Boy]

24. Does Israel have control of Iran's ballistic missiles?

Or Khamenei's orders?

How many military casualties did Iran inflict? Zero. How many civilian casualties? All of them.

All of them. You can't spin this.

[AloeVera]

38. You're right, I can't. Spin is your forte.

I just recite facts as far as I am able to.

It is not my fault that neither facts nor morality are on your side.

Fact: in spite of the precision capability of its air force, Israel has somehow managed to murder 200 civilians in Iran. About 20 times more civilians than Iran managed to murder with its imprecise ballistic missile

Fact: Demonization is not evidence. Was it Smotrich or Ben-Gvir who made that evidence-free accusation about Khameini? An anonymous senior Israeli Minister" lol. Gee, that's not demonization at work by the masters of smear and veritable ethnic cleansers, no sirree!

Neranyahu started this war knowing full well that Iran had no other means of self-defense that wouldn't be intercepted than their imprecise ballistic missiles. He chose to sacrifice his own people because he wants Iran defanged more than he wants those few Israelis alive. He's Machiavellian. And a mass murderering genocidaire to boot. It's way past time it was a good look to be on his side. But you...are still here...

[Beastly Boy]

40. Unfortunately, your ability to recite facts is quite impaired.

Example: "in spite of the precision capability of its air force, Israel has somehow managed to murder 400 civilians in Iran. About 40 times more civilians than Iran managed to murder with its imprecise ballistic missile "

This is not a fact, and labeling it so doesn't change it. You give no clue of where your alleged facts are coming from, but your numbers are demonstrably non-factual. To date, there are about 200 confirmed civilian deaths to 90 confirmed military deaths in Iran (https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/israeli-strikes-in-iran-killed-at-least-406-people-wounded-654-rights-group-says/articleshow/121865214.cms) and Israel reports 24 deaths, all civilian (https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-857892). Israel hit over 100 military targets, while Iran hit none. I am not much of a bean counter, but this illustrates that your numbers are fake, wherever they come from. garbage in, garbage out.

So much for the facts.

Example 2: "Demonization is not evidence. Was it Smotrich or Ben-Gvir who made that evidence-free accusation about Khameini? An anonymous senior Israeli Minister" lol. Gee, that's not demonization at work by the masters of smear and veritable ethnic cleansers, no sirree!"

A promising start, but hardly a statement of fact, followed by, you guessed it, demonization. Pure speculation, punctuated by "gee" and "lol", not to mention the tired but obligatory invocation "ethnic cleansing" BS.

Not to mention the rather embarrassing fact-free and completely illogical tirade blaming Netanyahu for Iran's ballistic missiles that kill civilians in Israel, and shaming me for being on Netanyahu's side despite zero evidence to show for it.

Pretty pathetic. Your spin is indeed a failure, but not for the lack of trying.

[AloeVera]

42. Interesting.

The Israeli death toll yesterday, per the o/p was 13. It climbed to 24 today.

You decided to use today's Israeli death toll but yesterday's Iranian death toll per US-based agency Human Rights Activists.

Further, as you know, I edited my post a mere five minutes after posting it once I realized I used the total Iranian death toll rather than the civilian one. People make honest mistakes and honest people immediately correct them.

And yet here you are, more than 8 hours later, dishonestly quoting my original post.

The concept of demonization does not apply to Smotrich and Ben Gvir. They are despicable people. That you seem to think otherwise is revealing of where you stand and who you are defending.

My garden awaits. Bye now.

[Beastly Boy]

43. By all means, feel free to compare contemporaneous sources of your choice.

Since you cited none of your sources so far, that would be a significant jump in the credibility of what you are posting.

Credit where credit is due as you alerted me just now: it was uncharacteristically nice of you to do some research after you posted fictional numbers. You caught me by surprise - I didn't see this coming when I woke up this morning to finish my reply. Now, if only you were to add some factual data about military deaths on each side: the ratio is still (insert your latest figures of Iranian military deaths here) to zero on the IDF side. Three days into the bombings, and Iran still has no intention of hitting military targets. The proportionality ratio, which I know you are a big fan of, at least in some select circumstances and only in the way you interpret it, still stands at 1military to 3 civilians for Israel and 0 military to 24 civilians for Iran. And that includes a Palestinian family of four, all women and girls, in the West Bank. Sixteen percent of all civilian casualties inflicted by Iran are Palestinian women and children. Think about that, if you will.

So, in sort order, you went from an outright falsification of facts to denying facts just a little bit. Mistakes happen, so congratulations, that's progress.

And now, you will have to make up your mind: are you applying the concept of demonization to Smotrich and Ben Gvir or not? If you are, is it applicable to them demonizing someone or them being demonized, and what is your point in any event? If you are not, why would you bring up the concept of demonization as fact (it is not - it is, as you stated, a concept) to begin with?

And just out of curiosity, what is my role in this whole word salad? How did I suddenly find myself among the defenders of these two bigots?

[LexVegas]

5. Doesnt fit the noble freedom fighter narrative. nt

[Jit423]

6. It's more than they are saying. Totally avoidable loss of innocent life caused by Netanyahu. Lock this devil up! nt

[JI7]

8. Iran carried out this attack

[AloeVera]

11. It might be a shock to some people....

But Israel is not the only country with the right to defend itself.

Israel is the aggressor in an unjustified pre-emptive strike and any casualties - on both sides- are on Netanyahu's bloody hands.

[Mountainguy]

12. Like every death on both sides is the

Fault of Hamas in that war?

Seems right.

[AloeVera]

16. If every home in Israel is flattened, its terrified citizens

and children burned alive in tents and schools, all hospitals, schools, cities and infrastructure destroyed, its remaining population starved for months and many shot while trying to get useless aid....then driven out by terror and hunger to the Sinai or the Mediterranean and Israel annexed by Iran and settled by Iran's fundamentalists...then no, I would not say it was still Netanyahu's fault. Because then Iran would no longer be acting in "self-defense" but in blind vengeance and cruelty and driven by an expansionist, land-thieving, ethnic cleansing agenda.

I hope that is clearer now.

[Beastly Boy]

21. Would it be OK with you if I applied your criteria to the October 6 attack?

Of course, the identity of the aggressors and their bloody hands may differ just a bit. But the essence of your argument will remain completely intact.

[AloeVera]

23. See post no. 16. And it's Oct 7th. N/T.

[Beastly Boy]

25. If all the casualties in Gaza were civilians, and if

the casualties in the Hamas attack on Israel were mostly military, and if there was wholesale rape, torture and murder of thousands of Iranian civilians, and if IDF abducted some 260 civilians to keep as hostages, you may have had some feeble excuse for an equivalency.

As things stand now, you have none.

[BlueSpot]

27. I was behind Israel 100% after the terrorist attack

I even blocked a few people because of it. But Benny is like Trump - a deal is only a deal when you get everything you want.

Maybe I should hold more resentment but the head of Hamas is dead. Still Israel kills so many Gazans and says they want that land back for themselves (probably to build that Trump resort there). Making incursions into the West Bank I think I read too.

You had me but you lost me.

I should probably also consider unblocking some people.

[Beastly Boy]

29. This is how a thread gets hijacked.

The OP was about 13 killed in Israel after days of conflict with Iran.

And now we are not even pretending gthat we are talking about Iran.

[BlueSpot]

30. Things follow another

You can't just say that today we start with a fresh slate and that nothing before has never happened. If we did that sort of interpretation, why would I have been so supportive after the Hamas attack?

Get out of your bubble. Hamas sucks. 100% absolutely. But Israel seems now to be following the same path. It's not the Israel I thought I knew - at least sort of.

As I said originally, you had me but you lost me.

Do I need to even mention the potential consequences of this new war?

[Beastly Boy]

35. I wish I had a nickel for every "Hamas sucks, but... Israel" post.

I am not pretending to seriously respond to statements like this. This phrase is what signifies a bubble, and I am merely pointing this bubble out whenever I see it. Just like the bubbles i am replying to, my responses are not meant go beyond pointing out how bubbly the statements are.

To get past this tit for tat, one must do some serious homework which goes far beyond the popular sentiment du jour. And this, I am afraid is the poject not suitable to an online discussion forum.

Your last question, BTW, is promising. It gives me a sense of your awareness that what we are talking about here doesn't begin to reflect the entirety of the multi-player regional struggle which is being obscured by the proxy wars going on in the Middle East. it is far greeater than Israel vs Iran and its proxies. I never "had" you - except, maybe, on the surface of things, but if you dig deeper, you may get to have me back.

[AloeVera]

28. Ah. Only the specific crimes of October 7th warrant condemnation, is what you are saying.

Other people's - other than Israelis, I mean - unjust suffering will never compare. And by extension, that Oct. 7th suffering will go on to justify every criminal, cruel and unjust act by Israel.

Just curious - will you hold those views right up to the ethnic cleansing, annexation and "resettlement"?

[BlueSpot]

31. Is this aimed at me?

Because that sure isn't what I posted.

[AloeVera]

32. No, it is not. I replied to the other poster in this sub-thread.

I saw your reply just now.

[Beastly Boy]

33. No, of course this is not what I am saying! Isn't it obvious?

I am showing you how false and hopelessly subjective your analogy is. I am showing you how easy it is to deflect were I to choose deflection as a means of derailing discourse.

Stick to the subject of the thread, and you will never have the need to make stuff up about what I am saying in order to avoid what I am saying, or bait me away from what I am saying. You should know by now that this doesn't work on me.

And, your curiosity notwithstanding, I don't base my views on misappropriating words to mean what they don't mean so I can whip up some extra performative outrage. And as long as you keep asking questions loaded with fallacies, you are not entitled to expectations of a serious reply.

[AloeVera]

34. Just as I thought. Why would it ever be any different?

A sigh and a lol.

So informative chatting with you. I mean it. I'm truly learning a lot.

[Ping Tung]

9. Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. Isass Asimvov

[Beastly Boy]

22. For some reason, this brings the Hamas charter to mind. Don't know why.