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MN shooter in custody - BREAKING - details hard to find - Presser at 1130 EDT (maybe) (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Jun 15 OP
Link to news report Stinky The Clown Jun 15 #1
It's being broadcast on local TV news, KSTP. Ocelot II Jun 15 #2
State charges, PLEASE. usonian Jun 15 #3
The crimes he'll be charged with are state crimes. There are no federal crimes involved, Ocelot II Jun 15 #4
Murder is a federal charge as is Terrorism. The Feds moved Luigi's case so they could give him the death penalty Mr.WeRP Jun 15 #8
Luigi's case became federal because it involved interstate stalking. Ocelot II Jun 15 #9
Federal officials are on Boelter's list. That alone can be reason to move to federal court. Mr.WeRP Jun 15 #12
Is a list a communicated threat? Ocelot II Monday #16
Luigi was also charged and indicted in New York and Pennsylvania. Ocelot II Monday #21
We will know if Trump plans to pardon him if Feds ask for jurisdiction. Mr.WeRP Jun 15 #5
There's no federal jurisdiction, see above post. Ocelot II Jun 15 #10
Time will tell. Federal officials being on Boelter's list of people to assassinate is reason alone. Mr.WeRP Jun 15 #13
I'm not sure that's enough, but the US attorney's office is expected to look at the situation. Ocelot II Monday #15
Looks like I was right. Mr.WeRP Monday #23
but there was no such attempt made on any Federal officeholders... Jack Valentino Monday #20
See above. He could be prosecuted in both state and federal court, Ocelot II Monday #17
It depends if Feds push to move the entire case to Federal Mr.WeRP Monday #24
They won't and really can't. The state and federal governments are separate entities. Ocelot II Monday #25
Very clearly Mountainguy Jun 15 #7
Friend of shooter says he is a Trump support--NEW video posted on Bluesky indigovalley Jun 15 #6
MSNBCand presumably all cable news is on air with the story Stinky The Clown Jun 15 #11
Located in the woods. moondust Monday #14
I'm out in the woods - any update yet? Maru Kitteh Monday #18
They got him. moondust Monday #19
Thank goodness. ecstatic Monday #22

Ocelot II

(125,455 posts)
4. The crimes he'll be charged with are state crimes. There are no federal crimes involved,
Sun Jun 15, 2025, 11:18 PM
Jun 15

though a federal fugitive warrant was issued so the FBI could assist.

Mr.WeRP

(832 posts)
8. Murder is a federal charge as is Terrorism. The Feds moved Luigi's case so they could give him the death penalty
Sun Jun 15, 2025, 11:25 PM
Jun 15

They’ll move this case to give this guy a pardon.

Ocelot II

(125,455 posts)
9. Luigi's case became federal because it involved interstate stalking.
Sun Jun 15, 2025, 11:33 PM
Jun 15

Murder isn't a federal crime unless the victim is a federal official. Luigi's indictment charges "one count of interstate stalking resulting in death, which carries a maximum potential sentence of life in prison; one count of stalking through use of interstate facilities resulting in death, which carries a maximum potential sentence of life in prison; and one count of discharging a firearm that was equipped with a silencer in furtherance of a crime of violence." Note that the indictment doesn't charge him with murder, only with stalking that resulted in death. In Boelter's case there's no federal jurisdiction - everything happened in Minnesota. As to terrorism, domestic terrorism is defined in the PATRIOT Act, but there's no separate penalty for it. Acts that fit within the definition are charged as specific crimes under either federal or state law. https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R47885

Mr.WeRP

(832 posts)
12. Federal officials are on Boelter's list. That alone can be reason to move to federal court.
Sun Jun 15, 2025, 11:55 PM
Jun 15

Ocelot II

(125,455 posts)
16. Is a list a communicated threat?
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 12:26 AM
Monday

Even if they could make that a federal crime, there's nothing to stop the state from prosecuting him separately, as happened in the George Floyd murder case. Chauvin was convicted of second-degree murder in state court and pled guilty to a federal civil rights violation so he could serve his time in a federal prison. If Trump pardoned him he'd still have to serve his state sentence of approximately the same duration. As to Boelter, the maximum sentence for threatening a federal official is ten years, while the maximum sentence for first degree murder is life. So let's say the feds want to prosecute Boelter for threatening a federal official; if convicted he'd serve 10 years. In the meantime he'd also be prosecuted by Minnesota on two counts of murder and two counts of attempted murder, with a probable life sentence, so a pardon on the federal charge wouldn't do him a damn bit of good.

Ocelot II

(125,455 posts)
21. Luigi was also charged and indicted in New York and Pennsylvania.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 01:12 AM
Monday

The state and the feds have concurrent jurisdiction; the state doesn't give up its case just because there are federal charges as well.

Mr.WeRP

(832 posts)
5. We will know if Trump plans to pardon him if Feds ask for jurisdiction.
Sun Jun 15, 2025, 11:24 PM
Jun 15

If they move this to federal court, the guy will get a pardon.

Mr.WeRP

(832 posts)
13. Time will tell. Federal officials being on Boelter's list of people to assassinate is reason alone.
Sun Jun 15, 2025, 11:56 PM
Jun 15

Ocelot II

(125,455 posts)
15. I'm not sure that's enough, but the US attorney's office is expected to look at the situation.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 12:13 AM
Monday

Is the list a threat? We'll see.

Jack Valentino

(2,467 posts)
20. but there was no such attempt made on any Federal officeholders...
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 01:09 AM
Monday

Anybody can WRITE ANYTHING!!!!
but just writing something does not make a 'credible threat'


(hope nobody breaks into my basement to see the things that I have written!!! LMAO)


Ocelot II

(125,455 posts)
17. See above. He could be prosecuted in both state and federal court,
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 12:30 AM
Monday

if there's a basis for jurisdiction. Threatening a federal official carries a 10-year sentence while first-degree murder gets you a life sentence, so what good would a pardon do him?

Mr.WeRP

(832 posts)
24. It depends if Feds push to move the entire case to Federal
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 01:06 PM
Monday

Then we will know. And if his attorneys are like Luigi’s, they will move to dismiss state for federal for Double Jeopardy.

Ocelot II

(125,455 posts)
25. They won't and really can't. The state and federal governments are separate entities.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 01:12 PM
Monday

The feds can't take the case away from the state, and double jeopardy won't attach because of the dual sovereignty rule; because states and the federal government are both sovereign governments, a violation of state and federal law is not the “same offense,” but are instead separate offenses. (BTW, we have Sam Alito to thank for that. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/17-646_d18e.pdf) So the prosecutions can proceed on these two separate tracks, and even if Krasnov were to pardon Boelter for the federal crimes (which I doubt, since Boelter is in no position to bribe him, which is the purpose of Trump's pardons), the state prosecution, if successful, will stick regardless.

indigovalley

(262 posts)
6. Friend of shooter says he is a Trump support--NEW video posted on Bluesky
Sun Jun 15, 2025, 11:24 PM
Jun 15

New video interview with the best friend of Boelter. His friend says Boelter did not like Walz or Pelosi and that he was a Trump supporter who listened to InfoWars. He was a Republican and would be upset to be called a Democrat. This is on video from his friend on Bluesky. If someone can tell me how to link I will link to the video.

ecstatic

(34,820 posts)
22. Thank goodness.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 02:16 AM
Monday

And I'm actually glad he was caught alive because there are some discrepancies that need to be explained.

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