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Polybius
(20,308 posts)W_HAMILTON
(9,144 posts)Maybe he should try forming a coalition with the actual anti-war Democratic Party instead of stabbing our candidates in the back every election cycle.
Polybius
(20,308 posts)Pat Buchanan, Tucker, Tulsi, Rand and Ron Paul, Matt Gaetz, MTG, Lauren Boebert, Tom McClintock, JD Vance, Mike Lee, Josh Hawley, and many others are far-right and very anti-war.
I agree with you about forming a coalition with anti-war Democrats, but it's not enough to impeach and convict. We need some Republicans. Besides, they like Vance better anyway. They just might do it this time.
W_HAMILTON
(9,144 posts)All will follow behind Trump like they usually do, except for maybe the Pauls, who care more about being contrarian than they do being anti-war.
Too bad the dumbasses """on the left""" that are so quick to form a bond with MAGA don't give the same benefit of the doubt to Democrats, which would not be bombing Iran right now if one were president.
"They might do it this time."
Polybius
(20,308 posts)I'm sorry to ruffle feathers, but we have to at least try and impeach and convict. If it doesn't work, fine. At least we made an effort.
W_HAMILTON
(9,144 posts)How many times does it need to be said?
Polybius
(20,308 posts)I'm sorry, but I'm furious right now. Nothing against you.
W_HAMILTON
(9,144 posts)...or they are not.
Polybius
(20,308 posts)If no one speaks out, I will concede that you were right.
W_HAMILTON
(9,144 posts)And yet he eventually came around, as will the vast majority of those whose names you rattled off.
Polybius
(20,308 posts)Problem is, there's not very many of them in the opposing Party.
yardwork
(66,912 posts)Polybius
(20,308 posts)Did you expect them to draft impeachment proceedings at 4:30 in the morning?
Skittles
(165,220 posts)IT CAN
Polybius
(20,308 posts)Yeah, they were wrong.
AZJonnie
(888 posts)Vance not being a fucking moron alone makes him more qualified than Mango Mussolini to be in a position of power. Also, he is not the cult leader and he's not charismatic. MAGA will scrutinize what he does in a way they won't with Orange Jesus. Plus I also just don't think anyone is the same level of stupid + evil as IQ45. There's dumber, and there's more evil, but not quite to Clowny McDollhands level, at the same time. I also think Vance probably at least thinks about the world he could play a part in leaving for his children. Trump's brain literally doesn't have the capacity to work that way. I guarantee you he does not understand or know 'love', other than love of money, power, and most of all, self.
Not saying Vance would be great, I'm saying he'd less terrible, and terrifying.
róisín_dubh
(12,045 posts)Cult leaders must have charisma above pretty much anything else. Its a characteristic of populists as well. Vance acts like its his first day in a human suit. Hes like a lizard person.
moonscape
(5,560 posts)with Trump has always baffled me. I have to accept he has it with a lot of folks but cannot see it even through a squint.
SharonAnn
(14,067 posts)Led by Curtis Yarvin, they believe democracy is over and that what is needed is a technical autocracy led by one person. And Thiel, et Al, have the money to invest in this. They got J.D. Vance in the Senate and then the Vice Presidency. They have further plans for their puppet.
They have a strategic plan and are implementing it. Dont underestimate them (Thiel, Musk, Yarvin, et al)
Skittles
(165,220 posts)IT'S THE ENTIRE GOP SHIT SHOW
littlemissmartypants
(28,233 posts)It's a criminal gang not a presidential coalition.
yardwork
(66,912 posts)Kaleva
(39,556 posts)yardwork
(66,912 posts)"W can't be worse than Reagan!"
W: hold my beer.
JI7
(92,131 posts)RandySF
(75,300 posts)Uygurs sexist and racist commentary has included a segment from his Young Turks show in 2013 in which he ranked women on a scale of 1-10 on how likely men would be to let them perform oral sex on them, per the L.A. Times. That same year, Uygur called a model obviously anorexic on the show and said she looked like shed just come out of a [concentration] camp. In 2015, Uygur hosted ex-Ku Klux Klan leader and neo-Nazi David Duke on the Young Turks in an anti-Semitic segment about how Jews control everything. Video also has surfaced of Uygur using the n-word repeatedly on TYT in 2007. Last year, Uygurs TYT Network was sued by an ex-employee alleging racial discrimination; Uygur has called the complaint baseless.
https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/bernie-sanders-cenk-uygur-retracts-endorsement-backlash-1203436658/
Polybius
(20,308 posts)Just this time.
yardwork
(66,912 posts)Cha
(312,225 posts)Dems and wants to annihilate our Party.
Then when he got ousted from Justice Dems.. in 2017 for Sexist Racist posts.
stopdiggin
(13,936 posts)pretty much the whole of DU. In vigorous opposition!
Even if the mere idea was not so stomach turning and revolting - there is additionally the fact that chances of success are - diminishing to the point of absurdity. These people are NOT going to join any kind of effort to oust ...
betsuni
(28,018 posts)As long as a Democrat doesn't suggest it.
Cenk is like Steve Bannon and Justice Democrats and others holding the ridiculous belief there'll be a left-wing and right-wing populist alliance. He hates those yucky corrupt Democrats, one of those dummies who thinks Democrats ignore economic inequality, have no economic policies, ignore the working class ... you know the Both Sides Democrat Bashing script.
"Social issues are really important and worth fighting for. But maybe the left-wing and right-wing should consider uniting on economic issues against corporate rule. We agree a lot more than people realize on these issues."
Now it's anti-war the left-wing and right-wing have in common! Those Republicans are so dreamy!
DFW
(58,303 posts)The likelihood of two thirds of the Senate voting to convict is as great as Pam Bondi being asked to be the featured guest speaker at a rally for AOC.
yardwork
(66,912 posts)And Vance would be worse. He's gone along with every terrible thing Trump does.
hlthe2b
(110,350 posts)Welcome to the warped mind of Curtis Yarvin. FROM "MENCUS MOLDBUG" TO CREATING A NEW WORLD ORDER
Vance has become their creation. He is the junior high school "nerd" whose only hope of "breaking out" and gaining acceptance was to align himself with the bullies--whomever they might be. He thought he could become them by going to war with the military (though he had a clerical role and was protected throughout from combat), and he was smart enough to attend Harvard and to leverage his childhood into a lauded book/movie. He's not a dumb man by any means, but insecure as hell, and that makes him easily manipulated AND DANGEROUS.
erpowers
(9,422 posts)I think the problem is that not enough has been written about J.D. Vance and his connections to the tech bros who want to turn this country into a right-wing tech dictator. Vance at the least is a protege of both Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin, both of whom want this country to be run by a right-wing dictator. In addition, Vance is likely more competent than Donald Trump, so he might be able to get more passed and cause more problems.
JI7
(92,131 posts)alittlelark
(18,990 posts)Let tRump run loco wild for awhile until he strokes out or is taken out by a high visibility planned assasination. Letting tRump take all the blame and vitriol to the grave, leaving the citizens in cognitive dissonance and allowing their chosen sociopath to rise to power..
OldBaldy1701E
(8,137 posts)That orange gibbon plays with the evangelical right. Couchfuck McGee will take us into a full-blown theocracy or worse the moment he takes office.
He cannot be allowed to sit in the Oval Office. Because that is their long-term plan anyway. To get that empty-headed human into the White House to do their insane bidding.
Funtatlaguy
(11,846 posts)I dont know what that means exactly.
Hopefully, not nuclear annihilation.
But, short of that, to end Trumpism (not just Trump) real pain must be felt by those who still support Trump and authoritarianism.
And we must keep in mind that many EVANGELICALS (Pence, for example) want to bring about Armageddon and Christs return. So, they want full fledged war in the Middle East.
yardwork
(66,912 posts)SocialDemocrat61
(4,872 posts)And I can think of no one as broken as Uyger 😂
tritsofme
(19,322 posts)Republicans, even they claim to be anti-war are never ever going to impeach Trump, over anything.
Keepthesoulalive
(1,446 posts)Partnering with monsters dilutes our message and our values, we must stand for what we feel is right.
Just as our external enemies are trying to destroy us, so are the internal enemies. These monsters are the reason trump is president and because they just figured out he is a liar does not make them allies or people worthy of our support.