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meadowlander

(4,929 posts)
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 03:01 AM Yesterday

Isn't sucker punching a sovereign nation after saying you were going to negotiate for two weeks kind of a war crime?

I know it's maybe not the biggest problem and pardon me if I've missed anything after enjoying a lovely day of not checking the news to come back to this but...

1. did we bother declaring war before we attacked a sovereign nation?
2. didn't Trump say we were hitting pause for two weeks to try diplomacy with Iran? Is that in legal terms similar to a truce or ceasefire (if we had been at war with them in the first place)?
3. isn't bombing your enemy in the middle of a truce/ceasefire which you were using as cover for your preparations kind of illegal/a war crime?

I'm certainly not a lawyer but hoping someone can enlighten me. And I know all the MAGAs are going to rationalise it away as God-tier dimensional chess but didn't he really just lie about entering into negotiations in good faith and then sucker punch a country we weren't even at war with yet?

What am I missing here?

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Isn't sucker punching a sovereign nation after saying you were going to negotiate for two weeks kind of a war crime? (Original Post) meadowlander Yesterday OP
As for the God-tier dimensional chess ... doublethink Yesterday #1
This country hasn't officially "declared war" since fucking 1942. Karasu Yesterday #2
I fell asleep with the news of this unneeded attack and woke up to a nightmare. Botany Yesterday #3
Trump was being relentlessly teased about his "TACO" tendencies and the meaninglessness of the phrase "two weeks." Intractable Yesterday #4
Actual original quotes. Igel Yesterday #5

doublethink

(7,215 posts)
1. As for the God-tier dimensional chess ...
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 04:56 AM
Yesterday

some say Chess originated in Iran/Persia. Maybe someone should alert Maga.

Karasu

(1,409 posts)
2. This country hasn't officially "declared war" since fucking 1942.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 05:42 AM
Yesterday

Going through the actual process is too messy and time-consuming, don't you know.

Botany

(74,503 posts)
3. I fell asleep with the news of this unneeded attack and woke up to a nightmare.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 05:49 AM
Yesterday

I have now seen how he was placed into power again by Musk, PeterTheil, Leo, and others
and now this? And yes this is a gut punch to all of the world. Trump caused all this
crap. He tore up the deal that would have stopped this from happening.

Iran is going to strike back count on it.

Intractable

(1,100 posts)
4. Trump was being relentlessly teased about his "TACO" tendencies and the meaninglessness of the phrase "two weeks."
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 07:00 AM
Yesterday

So, he decided to flex his muscles and show how resolute he could be.

Igel

(36,854 posts)
5. Actual original quotes.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 10:01 AM
Yesterday

They were all things like "within two weeks" or "might be two weeks."

The media play the same mistake with "up to" some amount. "It may save up to $3 billion" is crucially "3$ billion" when it suits them. But $1 billion in savings is still within that upper bound, upper limit, of "up to $3 billion".

The media spin the speaker's hedge and many just listen to the wonderful yarn that results from the spinning, made into a glorious tapestry.

Sad, but true.

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