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drmeow

(5,689 posts)
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 10:18 AM Jun 22

Top Things You Still Think You Know About Iran that are Not True

"Belief: Iran is aggressive and has threatened to attack Israel, its neighbors or the US.

Reality: Iran has not launched an aggressive war in modern history (unlike the US or Israel), and its leaders have a doctrine of “no first strike.” This is true of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, as well as of Revolutionary Guards commanders.

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Belief: But didn’t President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (in office 2005-2013) threaten to ‘wipe Israel off the map?’

Reality: President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad did quote Ayatollah Khomeini (d. 1989) to the effect that “this Occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time” (in rezhim-e eshghalgar-i Qods bayad as safheh-e ruzgar mahv shavad). This was not a pledge to roll tanks and invade or to launch missiles, however. It is the expression of a hope that the regime will collapse, just as the Soviet Union did. It is not a threat to kill anyone at all.

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Belief: Isn’t the Iranian regime irrational and crazed, so that a doctrine of mutally assured destruction just would not work with them?

Actuality: Iranian politicians are rational actors. If they were madmen, why haven’t they invaded any of their neighbors? Saddam Hussein of Iraq invaded both Iran and Kuwait. Israel has invaded its neighbors more than once, most recently Syria. In contrast, Iran has not started any wars. Demonizing people by calling them unbalanced is an old propaganda trick. The US elite was once unalterably opposed to China having nuclear science because they believed the Chinese are intrinsically irrational. This kind of talk is a form of racism."



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Top Things You Still Think You Know About Iran that are Not True (Original Post) drmeow Jun 22 OP
The ayatollahs are murderous assholes, but Iran is a sovereign nation and Iranians have every right dalton99a Jun 22 #1
Have they committed any real acts of terrorism. Besides the hostagetaking in 1979? Walleye Jun 22 #2
Yes. hueymahl Jun 22 #5
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 22 #3
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Jun 22 #13
You can oppose American military action without slobbing all over the ayatollah's knob. tritsofme Jun 22 #4
I know, really! yardwork Jun 22 #10
The caliphate that runs Iran is evil hueymahl Jun 22 #6
They are just freedom fighters. nt LexVegas Jun 22 #7
What a fucking joke . Iran funds terrorism against Israel JI7 Jun 22 #8
A War by Proxies has been going on for decades. yowzayowzayowza Jun 22 #9
Juan is a whole vibe. BannonsLiver Jun 22 #11
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Juan Cole is hoplessly biased against Israel and the West. Mosby Jun 22 #14

dalton99a

(89,486 posts)
1. The ayatollahs are murderous assholes, but Iran is a sovereign nation and Iranians have every right
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 10:23 AM
Jun 22

to defend themselves with every technology available




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tritsofme

(19,379 posts)
4. You can oppose American military action without slobbing all over the ayatollah's knob.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 10:50 AM
Jun 22

Not a fan of Juan Cole.

JI7

(92,339 posts)
8. What a fucking joke . Iran funds terrorism against Israel
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 10:56 AM
Jun 22

they funds Hamas. They openly do it and this is tryng to make excuses for them.

Israel has every right to attack Iran. We didn't have to get involved in that and we can make a case for us staying out without this bs.

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