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OK DU Hive mind.... (Original Post) Dyedinthewoolliberal Yesterday OP
A NATO coalition UpInArms Yesterday #1
Not condoning this strike Fl_life Yesterday #2
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Yesterday #8
Not quite. Precedent went as far back as Wilson and Hoover haele Yesterday #3
And before that with Ted Roosevelt in Haiti, the Philipines, Cuba. marble falls Yesterday #4
Oh... Fl_life Yesterday #5
Libya was a PNAC'er wet dream regime change... WarGamer Yesterday #6
Obama made a few strikes that are similar to this one Dreamer Tatum Yesterday #7

UpInArms

(52,975 posts)
1. A NATO coalition
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 11:46 AM
Yesterday
On 19 March 2011, a NATO-led coalition began a military intervention into the ongoing Libyan Civil War to implement United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 (UNSCR 1973). The UN Security Council passed the resolution with ten votes in favour and five abstentions, with the stated intent to have "an immediate ceasefire in Libya, including an end to the current attacks against civilians, which it said might constitute 'crimes against humanity' ... [imposing] a ban on all flights in the country's airspace — a no-fly zone — and tightened sanctions on the Muammar Gaddafi regime and its supporters."[21]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya

Apples and trucks … no comparison

Fl_life

(2 posts)
2. Not condoning this strike
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:01 PM
Yesterday

But in the spirit of honest conversation and to the OP's question, under President Obama there were more than 400 drone strikes authorized between 2009 and 2013... very few of those fell under a U.N. authorization and without congressional approval. He instituted the WPA and ordered he sign off on every single strike, which was defended by SecState Clinton.

That being said, it isnt a defense for getting us into another bush-era WMD fiasco...

haele

(14,323 posts)
3. Not quite. Precedent went as far back as Wilson and Hoover
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:20 PM
Yesterday

Low level, true - Look up the Fruit Wars; where we had expeditionary "trainers" and supplied arms to Central and South American plantation owners cum Dictators. "Trainers" and Arms to prevent "the Rise of Communism"...
Recently as far as Reagan, with Granada, Iran-Contra and other regime toppling actions that were done without Congressional approval.

As for bombing countries, generally, we had backing of our allies in one form or another, even Obama's bombing of Libya, though I still wonder who was really behind getting rid of Gaddafi, as he was seriously going after the IS cult groups in his region and was no clear and present danger to us at the time.
At the time, I suspected the Russians and/or Saudis saw a united Libya as an economic or political (Gaddafi had some serious dirt on the old Soviet regime, and probably on the Saudis, too) threat more than Libya posed as a Terrorist Export threat.

I suspect the same here; except I'm pretty sure this is more of a Shia/Wahabist conflict for control over the waters around the Arabian Peninsula, and a lot of green lights were given to *rump, just as they were to Obama and Bush the Younger, to play with military toys in the region.
The House of Saud hates the Shia, the Arabs and especially the Shia Persians with all that contiguous history behind them.
If the Saudis had nukes, they would have used them on both Baghdad and Tehran 25 -30 years ago.
*Rump's actions only bring us into the conflict as a distracting weapon directed by the Saudis and their ally of the moment, Netenyahu to further neuter Iran.
Russia doesn't really care what happens to Iran, in fact, the weaker Iran is, the more concessions Russia can get as it loses more resources and world standing over the losses in Ukraine.

Fl_life

(2 posts)
5. Oh...
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 01:20 PM
Yesterday

Not discounting precedent previously.. was just answering OP's questio,..

Hell, Nixon actually vetoed the 1973 WPA before congress overrode him... which I applaud - there has to be guardrails..

WarGamer

(17,358 posts)
6. Libya was a PNAC'er wet dream regime change...
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 01:22 PM
Yesterday

More unintended consequences... insurgents went crazy in Libya.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,976 posts)
7. Obama made a few strikes that are similar to this one
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 01:24 PM
Yesterday

But intellectual honesty is not required by the TOS.

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