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Tesha

(21,026 posts)
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 01:34 PM Yesterday

Repost: This is wrong, completely wrong

Per the Constitution

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from Jay Kuo

We did not have to join Bebe in his total annihilation of others in the region

1) Iran has been “weeks away” from having a weapon since 1995.
2) our own intelligence services said that they did were not close to having one, so if Trump is getting different intel it’s likely from Netanyahu’s government.
3) The response that was working was the agreement that was in place—lifting sanctions in exchange for no enrichment—that Obama put in place. Trump tore that up and these are the consequences.
4) Bombing Iran will have many unintended consequences not yet foreseeable.
5) North Korea and Pakistan have had nuclear weapons for some time now and not used them. They act as a deterrent. Ukraine had nukes but gave them up, and we see the result. Other countries will race to make these weapons rather than be subject to attack from great powers.

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Repost: This is wrong, completely wrong (Original Post) Tesha Yesterday OP
Misdirection purple_haze Yesterday #1
This is just Trump wanting a war MadameButterfly Yesterday #2
I disagree with you on one point. COL Mustard Yesterday #4
The US government's report for years said they'd abandoned their program. Igel Yesterday #3
Every country is weeks away from having nukes. cab67 Yesterday #5
I wonder who taught them how to build and run a gaseous diffusion plant Blue Full Moon Yesterday #6
The more difficult solution would have been... AntiFascist Yesterday #7

purple_haze

(143 posts)
1. Misdirection
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 01:52 PM
Yesterday

All of the talk leading up to yesterday was a psyop.

Just like all of the talk from politicians since politics began.

MadameButterfly

(3,102 posts)
2. This is just Trump wanting a war
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 01:56 PM
Yesterday

like a kid playing with big toys. He doesn't believe in anything, has no strategy, and he doesn't listen to Intelligence. He's a bully and bombing things makes him feel important. This is what malignant narcissists do.

COL Mustard

(7,444 posts)
4. I disagree with you on one point.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 04:07 PM
Yesterday

Trump definitely believes in himself, and enriching himself, and his family, at any cost. The rest of us are just the suckers and losers making it possible.

Igel

(36,858 posts)
3. The US government's report for years said they'd abandoned their program.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 02:06 PM
Yesterday

Or were in compliance. Or weren't interested. Whatever the verbiage, that's the takeaway.

The last ODNI report from 7/24 was cautious and also a bit misleading:

Here's the text that isn't the statutory requirement for the report:

IRAN’S NUCLEAR AND MISSILE ACTIVITY
There has been a notable increase this year in Iranian public statements about nuclear
weapons, suggesting the topic is becoming less taboo. Since 2020, Iran has repeatedly stated that
it is no longer constrained by any Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) limits, expanded
its nuclear program, reduced International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) monitoring, and
undertaken activities that better position it to produce a nuclear device, if it chooses to do so.
• Iran uses its nuclear program for negotiation leverage and to respond to perceived
international pressure. During the past year, it has modulated its production and
inventory of 60-percent uranium
. Tehran has said it would restore JCPOA limits if
the United States fulfilled its JCPOA commitments and the IAEA closed its
outstanding safeguards investigations.
• Iran continues to increase the size of its uranium stockpile, increase its enrichment
capacity, and develop, manufacture, and operate advanced centrifuges. Tehran has
the infrastructure and experience to quickly produce weapons-grade uranium, at
multiple facilities, if it chooses to do so.

• Iran probably will consider installing more advanced centrifuges, further increasing
its enriched uranium stockpile, or enriching uranium up to 90 percent in response to
additional sanctions, attacks, or censure against its nuclear program.
Iran has the largest inventory of ballistic missiles in the region and continues to
emphasize improving the accuracy, lethality, and reliability of these systems. Iran probably is
incorporating lessons learned from its missile and unmanned aerial vehicle attack against Israel
in April. Meanwhile, Iran’s work on space-launch vehicles—including its Simorgh—probably
would shorten the timeline to produce an intercontinental ballistic missile, if it decided to
develop one, because the systems use similar technologies.


Boldface is mine. The text was issued by President Biden's administration. Note the telling use of "modulated" for "increased," which is both true and implied. But downplayed. New is the "better positioned" and "quickly produce weapons-grade uranium." Notable is the bit about their not being interested in developing a bomb. Sometimes it's the dog that doesn't bark that's the worry.

Note that this report's issuance was delayed and this is just the unclassified portion. The unclassified ODNI report was issued on 7/23, late, and one working day after a bombshell of news was dropped the evening of 7/21.

cab67

(3,402 posts)
5. Every country is weeks away from having nukes.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 04:25 PM
Yesterday

Just as my home in the Midwest is steps away from Tierra del Fuego.

Biden and Obama both supported Israel, but neither took anything Netanyahu said at face value. Old Colostomy, on the other hand, seems to do whatever Netanyahu wants. (Unless Putin overrides Netanyahu's instructions.)

AntiFascist

(13,392 posts)
7. The more difficult solution would have been...
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 04:36 PM
Yesterday

utilize Israeli and American intelligence to bring about regime change from within Iran.

However, Trump and Gabbard have no clue how to utilize their intelligence, and Netanyahu only wants to stir up more conflict.

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