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Per the Constitution
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from Jay Kuo
We did not have to join Bebe in his total annihilation of others in the region
1) Iran has been weeks away from having a weapon since 1995.
2) our own intelligence services said that they did were not close to having one, so if Trump is getting different intel its likely from Netanyahus government.
3) The response that was working was the agreement that was in placelifting sanctions in exchange for no enrichmentthat Obama put in place. Trump tore that up and these are the consequences.
4) Bombing Iran will have many unintended consequences not yet foreseeable.
5) North Korea and Pakistan have had nuclear weapons for some time now and not used them. They act as a deterrent. Ukraine had nukes but gave them up, and we see the result. Other countries will race to make these weapons rather than be subject to attack from great powers.

purple_haze
(143 posts)All of the talk leading up to yesterday was a psyop.
Just like all of the talk from politicians since politics began.
MadameButterfly
(3,102 posts)like a kid playing with big toys. He doesn't believe in anything, has no strategy, and he doesn't listen to Intelligence. He's a bully and bombing things makes him feel important. This is what malignant narcissists do.
COL Mustard
(7,444 posts)Trump definitely believes in himself, and enriching himself, and his family, at any cost. The rest of us are just the suckers and losers making it possible.
Igel
(36,858 posts)Or were in compliance. Or weren't interested. Whatever the verbiage, that's the takeaway.
The last ODNI report from 7/24 was cautious and also a bit misleading:
Here's the text that isn't the statutory requirement for the report:
IRANS NUCLEAR AND MISSILE ACTIVITY
There has been a notable increase this year in Iranian public statements about nuclear
weapons, suggesting the topic is becoming less taboo. Since 2020, Iran has repeatedly stated that
it is no longer constrained by any Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) limits, expanded
its nuclear program, reduced International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) monitoring, and
undertaken activities that better position it to produce a nuclear device, if it chooses to do so.
Iran uses its nuclear program for negotiation leverage and to respond to perceived
international pressure. During the past year, it has modulated its production and
inventory of 60-percent uranium. Tehran has said it would restore JCPOA limits if
the United States fulfilled its JCPOA commitments and the IAEA closed its
outstanding safeguards investigations.
Iran continues to increase the size of its uranium stockpile, increase its enrichment
capacity, and develop, manufacture, and operate advanced centrifuges. Tehran has
the infrastructure and experience to quickly produce weapons-grade uranium, at
multiple facilities, if it chooses to do so.
Iran probably will consider installing more advanced centrifuges, further increasing
its enriched uranium stockpile, or enriching uranium up to 90 percent in response to
additional sanctions, attacks, or censure against its nuclear program.
Iran has the largest inventory of ballistic missiles in the region and continues to
emphasize improving the accuracy, lethality, and reliability of these systems. Iran probably is
incorporating lessons learned from its missile and unmanned aerial vehicle attack against Israel
in April. Meanwhile, Irans work on space-launch vehiclesincluding its Simorghprobably
would shorten the timeline to produce an intercontinental ballistic missile, if it decided to
develop one, because the systems use similar technologies.
Boldface is mine. The text was issued by President Biden's administration. Note the telling use of "modulated" for "increased," which is both true and implied. But downplayed. New is the "better positioned" and "quickly produce weapons-grade uranium." Notable is the bit about their not being interested in developing a bomb. Sometimes it's the dog that doesn't bark that's the worry.
Note that this report's issuance was delayed and this is just the unclassified portion. The unclassified ODNI report was issued on 7/23, late, and one working day after a bombshell of news was dropped the evening of 7/21.
cab67
(3,402 posts)Just as my home in the Midwest is steps away from Tierra del Fuego.
Biden and Obama both supported Israel, but neither took anything Netanyahu said at face value. Old Colostomy, on the other hand, seems to do whatever Netanyahu wants. (Unless Putin overrides Netanyahu's instructions.)
Blue Full Moon
(2,318 posts)AntiFascist
(13,392 posts)utilize Israeli and American intelligence to bring about regime change from within Iran.
However, Trump and Gabbard have no clue how to utilize their intelligence, and Netanyahu only wants to stir up more conflict.