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PeaceWave

(1,508 posts)
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 01:59 PM Yesterday

Who's the real "bully" here? Iran has been arming Putin against Zelensky, actively aiding in the destruction of Ukraine.

Lost in all of the events of yesterday, the knee jerk U.S. political reactions, the finger pointing and claims of "innocence" or "guilt," was the fact that other countries have been gravely affected by a provocative, threatening and irresponsible foreign policy effectuated by Iran that has gone on for decades - resulting in the deaths of God only knows how many tens of thousands of innocent lives throughout the world. Case in point - Iran's decision to provide thousands of drones and hundreds of missiles to Russia for use against Ukraine.

What was the point of Iran aiding in the destruction of Ukraine? Ukraine is a democratic state fighting to repel an invasion against it begun by a cruel and autocratic despot in Russia. Iran had no dog in this fight. Despite this fact, Iran intentionally injected itself into the equation, tilting the arms scale in favor of Russia at a critical time when Putin was - due to the rest of the world's sanctions against him - actually losing his war against Ukraine. Repeatedly embarrassed on the battlefield, Putin turned to Iran for military assistance and Iran complied.

It is one thing to stand on the sidelines and observe one party inflict harm upon another. The image of school children encircling a schoolyard bully and his victim comes to mind. The failure to act against a bully can be rationalized for any number of reasons, including fear of repercussions. It is another thing altogether to join with the bully against his victim. How is that choice rationalized? How can Iran's participation in the attempted annihilation of Ukraine and its people not be considered when judging Iran's "innocence" or "guilt?"

As always, from the outset of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, I stand with Ukraine - and against any nation that would deny it democracy.

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Crunchy Frog

(27,712 posts)
1. I agree, and it's why I have not been sorry to see Iran get bombed.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 02:55 PM
Yesterday

I know my views are not very popular on DU right now.

PeaceWave

(1,508 posts)
14. It's not about being popular. It's about speaking the truth - especially when it is inconvenient to do so.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 08:10 PM
19 hrs ago

MarineCombatEngineer

(15,782 posts)
3. I am adamantly against US forces being used in the Israel/Iran war,
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 03:37 PM
23 hrs ago

that being said, I can imagine that the majority of countries, especially in the ME, are breathing a sigh of relief that Iran's nuclear weapons program has been, IMO, severely damaged, nobody, especially the ME countries, want a nuclear armed Iran, that would be a disaster of magnitude proportions.

W_HAMILTON

(9,144 posts)
4. Nice try to get us to support this attack on Iran, but it ain't gonna work.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 03:43 PM
23 hrs ago

Iran's nuclear facilities did not have any impact whatsoever on the war in Ukraine and Trump bombing them will not either.

Johonny

(23,965 posts)
7. They had a costumer for their weapons
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 04:50 PM
22 hrs ago

And got to field test them. At the same time make peace with mother Russia.

If you fear US attacks, you appease Russia. It isn't hard to figure out.

BannonsLiver

(19,299 posts)
8. I know of one person here who is upset about this for entirely different reasons.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 05:32 PM
21 hrs ago

Because of their hatred for Zelensky and Ukraine. Most people here who oppose trumps actions oppose them for different reasons. This one is just pissed it might disrupt the supply of weapons to Russia.

“ANd MaRs sMiLeD!1”

delisen

(7,065 posts)
10. Putin benefits from oil price increase, not Ukraine
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 06:17 PM
20 hrs ago

Bombing Iran nuclear facility does not help Ukraine-it hurts Ukraine.

The Three Tyrants are the intended beneficiaries.

Melon

(434 posts)
12. Iran has more than 600lbs of 60% enriched uranium
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 06:32 PM
20 hrs ago

They have one nuclear power plant. It uses 3.5 -5% uranium. Largely supplied by Russia. Their enrichment program increased the stockpile of 60% uranium by 25% in just 4 months from Q4 to Q1 of this year.

China went from a stockpile of highly enriched uranium (90%+) to a nuclear weapon in under 5 weeks.

It’s not a big technology jump to go from 60% to 90%. And then quickly to a weapon. This is with a government that has no reason to be enriching to the extent they already do outside of weapon development.

I don’t see how Israel is suppose to just wait until it’s too late to act. In the name of self preservation.

Jit423

(1,463 posts)
13. Iran did no more for Putin than we did for Bibi. Sold them the weapons. How many of our weapons have killed Gazans?
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 06:48 PM
20 hrs ago

How many of our weapons have laid waste to beautiful Lebanon? Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan...? Merchants of war have customers.

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