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PSPS

(14,621 posts)
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 04:02 PM 23 hrs ago

'There Is No Intel': Trump's Attacks on Iran Were Based on Vibes, Sources Say

After President Donald Trump’s decision to strike three Iranian nuclear facilities on Saturday, administration officials are barely bothering to pretend the unprecedented — and potentially calamitous — attacks were motivated by new intelligence suggesting Iran was on the brink of having nuclear weapons. Just months ago, Trump’s Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard testified to Congress, in her opening statement, that the U.S. intel community “continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon” and had not reauthorized its nuclear weapons program. While Trump recently publicly disputed Gabbard’s testimony, according to two administration officials with knowledge of internal deliberations in recent weeks, the president’s decision to strike was not driven by any new U.S. intelligence on Iran.

“There is no intel,” says one of the officials, who were granted anonymity to discuss sensitive matters. “Nothing new, that I’m aware of… The president is protecting the United States and our interests, [but] the intelligence assessments have not really changed from what they were before.” Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), who sits on the Foreign Relations Committee, confirmed Saturday night that American intelligence assessments on Iran have not changed. “I was briefed on the intelligence last week. Iran posed no imminent threat of attack to the United States,” he wrote on social media. “Iran was not close to building a deliverable nuclear weapon.”

White House spokesperson Anna Kelly says, “This is false and lazy ‘reporting’ designed to undermine President Trump’s highly successful operation to dismantle Iran’s nuclear capabilities.”

Trump’s attacks on Iran constitute an act of war — and could set off a new, long-term conflict with potential to grow into something much larger. Unlike a previous time an American president preemptively initiated a war in the Middle East, when George W. Bush plunged America into a disastrous war in Iraq, he and his team spent roughly a year building a case of lies and propaganda to sell to a public that was already broadly supportive of post-9/11 military action.


More: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-iran-attack-no-intel-nuclear-1235369641/
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'There Is No Intel': Trump's Attacks on Iran Were Based on Vibes, Sources Say (Original Post) PSPS 23 hrs ago OP
That's no surprise. The man has notions. He's an idiot who thinks he's a genius. surfered 22 hrs ago #1
The "vibes" are emanating from the Saudi Glowing Orb. sop 22 hrs ago #13
I don't think he had even a concept of senseandsensibility 22 hrs ago #2
Make his wag the dog attempt fail. Baitball Blogger 22 hrs ago #3
No shit. RockRaven 22 hrs ago #4
Facts and truth don't matter in maga world ! kimbutgar 22 hrs ago #5
Guess they don't give him a lot of leeway stillcool 22 hrs ago #6
Gabbard was forced to limit and dumb down Trump's daily intelligence briefings because he wouldn't read the material. sop 22 hrs ago #7
This Kind of Shit Deep State Witch 22 hrs ago #8
That was obvious all along. ananda 22 hrs ago #9
trump don't need no stinking intel...nt Wounded Bear 22 hrs ago #10
The "vibe" being that Trump's popularity was in the toilet, just as was the case with GW Bush n/t AntiFascist 22 hrs ago #11
Isn't that what the VP said? His vibes...gut feeling. travelingthrulife 22 hrs ago #12
"President Trump has incredible instincts," says Karoline dalton99a 22 hrs ago #14
And the vibes were based on dementia. milestogo 21 hrs ago #15
That and a gargantuan parade flop malaise 19 hrs ago #29
No, they were based on EndlessWire 19 hrs ago #30
trump's picking up good vibrations / they're giving him excitations... Buns_of_Fire 21 hrs ago #16
...the U.S. intel community "continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon..." Disaffected 21 hrs ago #17
He got his intel from Fox hosts which he watched constantly. I have heard this from a number of sources. They were Amaryllis 20 hrs ago #18
I wish that all reporting Mblaze 20 hrs ago #19
"Vibes" equals ms liberty 20 hrs ago #20
Like GW Bush, Trump governs by his gut PatSeg 20 hrs ago #21
"Vibes" JoseBalow 20 hrs ago #22
Yeah, we fucking know. Karasu 20 hrs ago #23
Vibes? LOL He needed a bigger distraction from the FUBAR distraction from the previous screw up distraction Attilatheblond 20 hrs ago #24
6/12 IAEA board declares Iran in breach of non-proliferation obligations speak easy 20 hrs ago #25
From 2018: Trump declares US leaving 'horrible' Iran nuclear accord PSPS 18 hrs ago #31
Yeah, so having crippling sanctions restored is very conducive to cooperation. AloeVera 17 hrs ago #32
Com'on man...give the guy a break...he blew that yellowcake all the way back to Niger. CincyDem 19 hrs ago #26
My mother was raised a Democrat. greatauntoftriplets 19 hrs ago #27
Bibi played Trump like a violin. He softened up doc03 19 hrs ago #28

RockRaven

(17,473 posts)
4. No shit.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 04:09 PM
22 hrs ago

Anyone paying attention to how Warmonger Trump operates for the past decade could tell you that just based on his prior behavior.

stillcool

(34,320 posts)
6. Guess they don't give him a lot of leeway
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 04:11 PM
22 hrs ago

can't trust him to say the right words without revealing inconvenient truths.

sop

(14,818 posts)
7. Gabbard was forced to limit and dumb down Trump's daily intelligence briefings because he wouldn't read the material.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 04:17 PM
22 hrs ago

Now Trump's taking America to war based on "vibes"? God help us all.

Deep State Witch

(11,931 posts)
8. This Kind of Shit
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 04:18 PM
22 hrs ago

Is why I retired from the Intelligence Community at the end of 2020. Well, that and COVID.

AntiFascist

(13,385 posts)
11. The "vibe" being that Trump's popularity was in the toilet, just as was the case with GW Bush n/t
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 04:29 PM
22 hrs ago

EndlessWire

(7,895 posts)
30. No, they were based on
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 07:34 PM
19 hrs ago

Netanyahu's thumb up rump's butt. We just don't know what Netanyahu promised him if he did it. The bombings, that is.

Buns_of_Fire

(18,547 posts)
16. trump's picking up good vibrations / they're giving him excitations...
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 05:35 PM
21 hrs ago

(In his case, read: "a war woody", except it doesn't rhyme.)

Disaffected

(5,691 posts)
17. ...the U.S. intel community "continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon..."
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 05:41 PM
21 hrs ago

I ask again, why then is Iran enriching uranium (to 60%) far beyond that required for use in a nuclear reactor (5%) or production of medical isotopes(around 20%)??

One rational I've heard is that it "gives them political leverage" but that seems v weak as it appearss to have done nothing of the sort and in fact the opposite. I can come up with nothing plausible other than to build a bomb or be very close at some future date.

Amaryllis

(10,509 posts)
18. He got his intel from Fox hosts which he watched constantly. I have heard this from a number of sources. They were
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 06:34 PM
20 hrs ago

alll pushing for him to attack.

Mblaze

(592 posts)
19. I wish that all reporting
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 06:39 PM
20 hrs ago

Was designed to undermine Trump instead of for meekly washing his Titleists. .

ms liberty

(10,314 posts)
20. "Vibes" equals
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 06:41 PM
20 hrs ago

Credible election lawsuit starting
Falling poll numbers
economy in a slo-mo crash
Unpopularity of police state tactics
Unpopularity of most of his policies
Talking to Netanyahu too much


Add your own

PatSeg

(50,407 posts)
21. Like GW Bush, Trump governs by his gut
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 06:43 PM
20 hrs ago

and Trump's gut is really unreliable.

Meanwhile, Bibi was probably whispering to him behind the scenes, "Just say 'Iran is on the verge of building a nuclear weapon in the next few weeks'. Hey Donald, I've been using that one for over two decades and it STILL sells." Besides once it is determined not to be true, it is too late. The deed is done and people have already forgotten the justification for the bombings.

Attilatheblond

(6,401 posts)
24. Vibes? LOL He needed a bigger distraction from the FUBAR distraction from the previous screw up distraction
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 06:56 PM
20 hrs ago

Escalating FUBARs require bigger and BIGGER distractions. He has NO CLUE how to get himself out of the messes he gets himself into. Just makea bigger messes. No solutions for any problem, only distractions that create more problems.

speak easy

(11,753 posts)
25. 6/12 IAEA board declares Iran in breach of non-proliferation obligations
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 07:03 PM
20 hrs ago
DAMNING REPORT

The text, seen by Reuters, declares Iran in breach of its obligations given a damning report the IAEA sent to member states on May 31.
"The Board of Governors... finds that Iran's many failures to uphold its obligations since 2019 to provide the Agency with full and timely cooperation regarding undeclared nuclear material and activities at multiple undeclared locations in Iran ... constitutes non-compliance with its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement with the Agency," the text said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-board-declares-iran-breach-non-proliferation-duties-diplomats-say-2025-06-12/

PSPS

(14,621 posts)
31. From 2018: Trump declares US leaving 'horrible' Iran nuclear accord
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 08:39 PM
18 hrs ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump withdrew the U.S. from the landmark nuclear accord with Iran on Tuesday, abruptly restoring harsh sanctions in the most consequential foreign policy action of his presidency. He declared he was making the world safer, but he also deepened his isolation on the world stage and revived doubts about American credibility.

The 2015 agreement, which was negotiated by the Obama administration and included Germany, France and Britain, had lifted most U.S. and international economic sanctions against Iran. In exchange, Iran agreed to restrictions on its nuclear program, making it impossible to produce a bomb and establishing rigorous inspections.


From 2020:

A worthless withdrawal: Two years since President Trump abandoned the JCPOA

May 8 marked two years since President Trump formally withdrew from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), better known as the Iran nuclear deal, while maintaining that "it is the policy of the United States that Iran be denied a nuclear weapon and intercontinental ballistic missiles.” Since then, the Trump Administration unilaterally re-imposed crippling sanctions on Iran and antagonized our allies by forcing them to comply or risk financial isolation. They have also wasted valuable time trying to disassemble the Iran nuclear deal rather than pursuing negotiations to address its concerns. Now, the United States is scrambling to respond to the impending end of a United Nations (UN) arms embargo linked to the nuclear deal.


This is just another distraction to reclaim the limelight.
Bibi was getting too much media attention, what with his bombing Iran and getting totally slammed in return fire. Trump can't stand that.

AloeVera

(3,081 posts)
32. Yeah, so having crippling sanctions restored is very conducive to cooperation.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 09:33 PM
17 hrs ago

Apparently not.

Iran was pissed off. For 3 years they cooperated, complied, bent over backwards and with no warning Trump hit them between the eyes. The sanctions wreaked havoc on their economy and people.

CincyDem

(7,132 posts)
26. Com'on man...give the guy a break...he blew that yellowcake all the way back to Niger.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 07:10 PM
19 hrs ago

greatauntoftriplets

(177,800 posts)
27. My mother was raised a Democrat.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 07:25 PM
19 hrs ago

When Dubya was elected, she said "Now we have a Republican president, and we'll have a war. They always start wars."

She was so right.

doc03

(37,992 posts)
28. Bibi played Trump like a violin. He softened up
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 07:27 PM
19 hrs ago

Iran then coned Trump with the old WMD trick.

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