IAEA - there was no imminent threat

[malaise]

Just lies as usual

IAEA chief: No evidence Iran is building a nuclear weapon

https://www.aljazeera.com/video/talk-to-al-jazeera/2025/6/19/iaea-chief-no-evidence-iran-is-building-a-nuclear-weapon

[MorbidButterflyTat]

1. I didn't think it was possible

I hate that creature more every day.

[FarPoint]

2. Add to this dilemma....

There is no set-up to evaluate Iran's current nuclear status, WMD etc.... no one, no inspectors to validate or dispute the known false claims...

[ForgedCrank]

3. Uranium enriched to 60%

only has one useful purpose.

03 March, 2025:

Following my last report, Iran’s stockpile of uranium enriched up to 60% U‑235 has increased to 275 kg, up from 182 kg in the past quarter. Iran is the only non-nuclear weapon State enriching to this level, causing me serious concern.

It has been four years since Iran stopped implementing its nuclear-related commitments under the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), including provisionally applying its Additional Protocol and therefore it is also four years since the Agency was able to conduct complementary access in Iran.

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/statements/iaea-director-generals-introductory-statement-to-the-board-of-governors-3-march-2025

So yea, these guys would know what's going on now since they were no longer allowed to actually inspect anything, right?

[ProfessorGAC]

6. Weapons Grade Is 90% Minimum

Preferably over 93%.
Not sure what this guy's point is.
60% may not have many uses (submarine reactors), but it's not useful as a fission explosive.
And, if radiologic weaponry is the goal, 60% would be scary. But, that isn't even implied in that piece.
But, the enrichment from 60 to >90% is very expensive, very time consuming, and if they really had the capability to reach that high number, they would have done it.
Everything in that citation still doesn't meet the definition of "imminent".

[ForgedCrank]

18. The point is

that it is enriched far beyond what is required for any peaceful purpose.
People claiming there was no threat or no weapons program are whistling past the graveyard.
Even if they weren't trying to make weapons (which I find laughable), what does anyone suppose they were going to do with that? Give it to Hamas for Christmas?

[ProfessorGAC]

22. Do You Not Know What "Imminent" Means?

We're talking about justifying a military strike using "imminent threat" as the lever.
60% does not constitute an imminent threat.
So, the lack of other uses is irrelevant because what it is NOT is weapons grade.
I'm disputing the immediacy of the threat and that isn't whistling past the graveyard. You using that term doesn't mean it's accurate.
What is accurate is that there are miles & miles between 60% & weapons Grade.
Do I want Iran to have nukes? Absolutely not. But, I think they were so far from it that there is no justification for the recent events.
You seem to want to excuse this action by a guy who said he would not involve the US in wars unless the US was threatened. We weren't; they did it anyway. And, you seem to be good with it because "60%".

[ForgedCrank]

28. And I disagree.

I suppose you thought tha tonce they hit 80%, they'll stop. And no way those trustworthy and peace-loving people of planet Earth would ever share that stuff with someone else.
All we have to do is be nice to them, right?
So sale

[choie]

38. We are not the trustworthy, peace loving

people in this current situation.

[NickB79]

25. It's in the very title of the article

"No evidence Iran is building a nuclear weapon"

Note it doesn't use the word "imminent ".

Uranium enrichment above 5%, when no civilian reactor needs such enrichment, it in itself evidence of an attempt to build a nuke.

Now, you can argue that they gave up on that ambition years ago, or they hit technical roadblocks to reach 90% that meant a functional nuke was still years away. I agree, there's no evidence a working nuke was imminent.

But what you can't do is say there is no evidence they were, at some point, angling for a nuclear warhead while acknowledging a stockpile of highly enriched uranium.

[SonOfNebanaube]

39. they don't need to now

Their allies are providing warheads

[EndlessWire]

7. This is why I have mixed feelings.

They would not have stopped enriching the stuff. They would have kept going until they had a bomb.

I hope, that if we must be at war, that Israel kapoots the drones they sell to Russia, all the spare parts, and all the ICBMs.

If Iranh had not run its mouth about how much they hate Israel and America, and if they were not supplying Houthis who are messing up the world shipping, then I think they would have been okay. But, they declared their intent. Big mistake. The only other thing to think about is if they wanted to emulate Russia with the ability to threaten the use of a nuke to get stuff they wanted.

[Melon]

9. Iran's one nuclear reactor for energy uses Uranium 3-5%....

This is largerly supplied by Russia.

[ForgedCrank]

19. I'm right there

beside you on this one.
I am seriously pissed that we are now actively involved in this. I believe that Israel could have handled this on their own if we were willing to extend the assets to do so. There was no reason for us to do it except for serving up bragging rights for Trump.
On the other hand, we know full well that if Iran was able to make enough of it and continue refining, they would use it to make a bomb. I'm convinced that the Chinese would have shared the reflector and compression tech with them, and they probably already have.
It would be a grave error to think that the United States is in less danger than Israel regarding a nuclear armed Iran. As soon as they have a deliverable weapon, the WILL use it. These are not the kind of people you trust or try to make nice with, their only goal is their fanatic goal of spreading Islam by any means necessary. They literally view the Jews and the Western world as a devil needing destroyed.
Right now, very few people know exactly what Iran has since they have not cooperated for many years. I hate to give him any relief, but I'm having a hard time believing that the orange menace would do this for kicks knowing full well that at the very least, this is going to drastically impact our economy through energy costs. That's the thing he loves to brag about most. I have to surmise that they know something they are unwilling or unable to tell us. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Iran already has a weapon at some level.

[appmanga]

30. Here's an article that comes to the same conclusion

There was no reason for us to do it except for serving up bragging rights for Trump.

https://www.salon.com/2025/06/22/with-strikes-on-iran-has-chosen-a-path-of-insanity/

[dpibel]

31. Such certitude!

Sez you: "As soon as they have a deliverable weapon, the WILL use it."

To what end?

You somehow believe that there would not be massive retaliation?

You believe that those in power in Iran are suicidal?

What you claim makes, actually, no sense.

[ForgedCrank]

34. I guess

this is a position one could take if they ignore the tenants and habits of the people in charge over there.
It's not a secret. The consider death in the course of fighting what they consider just to be honorable and holy. These people would kill you in a heartbeat if afforded the opportunity. And if they die in the process, so much the better in their eyes. They don't consider it "suicide". They even have a word for it: "Shahada".
It only makes no sense if you ignore reality.

[dpibel]

43. Islamaphobia!

It's what's for dinner!

You do realize, I trust, that you have trotted out the stereotypes and fever dreams that have been applied down through the years.

Particularly the years when GW Bush was lying the country into the Great Iraq War.

If you honestly believe that the leadership of Iran would develop a nuke for the sole purpose of committing national suicide, I don't think you live in the same reality as I, or many others, do.

Hell, if they want so desperately to commit national suicide, they can do it without nukes.

[ForgedCrank]

45. Screech all you want,

those are unbiased facts. Sorry if it breaks things for you.
And as I said before, they don't consider it "suicide" in any way.

[dpibel]

46. LOL

You never fail to deliver the laughs.

Truly. You cannot actually believe what you're saying.

But that's kind of the idea, innit?

[ForgedCrank]

47. Sorry I

couldn't march for you. It's clear that you are either trolling me, or you know about zero regarding the Shia Muslim sect.
Either way, happy trails to you

[SonOfNebanaube]

40. no

They needed more justification. Trump have them that.

[choie]

41. What was the rush?

The only reason to forestall attempts at diplomacy would be if the danger was imminent, which it wasn’t. Trump dropping bombs on them was done for his own personal reasons, having nothing to do with what’s good for this country.

[Skittles]

4. Dubya started a war based on lies and was never held accountable

Trump pretty much knows he can do the same

[BidenRocks]

5. The Epstein Files!

We have been buried in Bullshit!

[dalton99a]

8. Kick

[surfered]

10. That was his own intelligence community assessment

W made decisions with his gut. Trump does, too, but is gut is full of Big Macs and Diet Coke.

[malaise]

12. Intelligence is not a word one associated with

Slobfather Donvict 😀

[surfered]

15. Truly.

[lastlib]

16. ...and dysenteric whaleshit...

you left out dysenteric whaleshit.

[Skittles]

24. W was Cheney's puppet

that's why Cheney installed himself as VP

[multigraincracker]

11. So now Russia and China are talking about sending nuclear war heads to Iran.

They have never liked or trusted us since Big Oil installed the Shah in exchange for 40% of THIER oil.

[malaise]

14. THIS

Rec

[Celerity]

27. The 1953 Iranian coup d'etat, aka Operation Ajax

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup d'état ( Persian: کودتای ۲۸ مرداد ), was the overthrow of Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953. Led by the Iranian army and supported by the United States and the United Kingdom, the coup aimed at strengthening the autocratic rule of the shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. A key motive was to protect British oil interests in Iran after its government refused to concede to western oil demands. It was instigated by the United States (under the name TP-AJAX Project or Operation Ajax) and the United Kingdom (under the name Operation Boot). This began a period of dissolution for Iranian democracy and society.

Mosaddegh had sought to audit the documents of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), a British corporation (now part of BP), to verify that AIOC was paying the contracted royalties to Iran, and to limit the company's control over Iranian oil reserves. Upon the AIOC's refusal to cooperate with the Iranian government, the parliament (Majlis) voted to nationalize Iran's oil industry and to expel foreign corporate representatives from the country. After this vote, Britain instigated a worldwide boycott of Iranian oil to pressure Iran economically. Initially, Britain mobilized its military to seize control of the British-built Abadan oil refinery, then the world's largest, but Prime Minister Clement Attlee (in power until 1951) opted instead to tighten the economic boycott while using Iranian agents to undermine Mosaddegh's government. Judging Mosaddegh to be unamenable and fearing the growing influence of the communist Tudeh, UK prime minister Winston Churchill and the Eisenhower administration decided in early 1953 to overthrow Iran's government. The preceding Truman administration had opposed a coup, fearing the precedent that Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) involvement would set, and the U.S. government had been considering unilateral action (without UK support) to assist the Mosaddegh government as late as 1952. British intelligence officials' conclusions and the UK government's solicitations to the US were instrumental in initiating and planning the coup.

Following the coup, a government under General Fazlollah Zahedi was formed which allowed Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the shah of Iran (Persian for 'king'), to rule more firmly as monarch. He relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power. According to the CIA's declassified documents and records, some of the most feared mobsters in Tehran were hired by the CIA to stage pro-shah riots on 19 August. Other men paid by the CIA were brought into Tehran in buses and trucks and took over the streets of the city. Between 200 and 300 people were killed because of the conflict. Mosaddegh was arrested, tried and convicted of treason by the Shah's military court. On 21 December 1953, he was sentenced to three years in jail, then placed under house arrest for the remainder of his life. Other Mosaddegh supporters were imprisoned, and several received the death penalty. The coup strengthened the Shah's authority, and he continued to rule Iran for the next 26 years as a pro-Western monarch until he was overthrown in the Iranian Revolution in 1979.

In August 2013, the U.S. government formally acknowledged the U.S. role in the coup by releasing a bulk of previously classified government documents that show it was in charge of both the planning and the execution of the coup. According to American journalist Stephen Kinzer, the operation included false flag attacks, paid protesters, provocations, the bribing of Iranian politicians and high-ranking security and army officials, as well as pro-coup propaganda. The CIA is quoted as acknowledging the coup was carried out "under CIA direction" and "as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government". In 2023, the CIA took credit for the coup, contradicting a previous scholarly assessment that the CIA had botched the operation, though other assessments agreed that America and Britain had engineered the coup.

snip

[multigraincracker]

33. Thanks for this article.

No one hates us for our freedoms. They hates us for the Shah, the opium wars and Gulf of Tonkin false attack. Fake excuses to steal form Brown folks.

[choie]

42. How dare you

bring history and facts into this discussion!

[sinkingfeeling]

13. "It's Only Make Believe"

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[Mosby]

17. Al Jazeera?

IAEA board declares Iran in breach of non-proliferation obligations
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-board-declares-iran-breach-non-proliferation-duties-diplomats-say-2025-06-12/

Atomic watchdog says Iran not complying with nuclear safeguards
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/06/1164291

Global watchdog finds Iran failing to meet nuclear obligations
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce3v6w2qr12o

[iemanja]

29. Netanyahu on Iran's imminent nuclear threat

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/JC56Ltg5zDE

Most people don’t like being lied to.

[SunImp]

48. It's hard to trust Israeli intelligence when Israel's leadership are all just as corrupt & selfserving as ours

[LiberalArkie]

20. Just mobile anthrax labs? Were any of those ever found?

[AZ8theist]

23. You may have forgotten those were "unknown knowns"...........

[Aussie105]

21. Any minute now!

It has been said for many years - Iran is weeks away from having nuclear bombs!

The logic of course, is that Iran will use them not as negotiating tools but as a quick way to turn all of Israel into a radioactive desert.
It will be the first country since Hiroshima and Nagasaki to do so.

Have any of the Iranian leaders, past and present, ever said so?
Would they nuke Israel in the full knowledge American nukes would do the same to Iran?

As for that '60% enrichment achieved! The US must now panic and act!' number, what is the source of that information, and how reliable is that?

So the state of play currently - the US uses WMDs to try to stop Iran from developing their own WMDs.

I think I know where we are heading.

[malaise]

26. Nailed it

Rec

[Ping Tung]

32. Do any of you remember the Great Bogeyman of 1964? The Domino theory and the Tonkin Gulf Incident?

By the time it was over 1.4 million civilian casualties were produced but saved from the dominoes that never fell.

Now Trump & Co have erected another scary Bogeyman to justify another failed war just like the invisible WMDs did in Iraq.

"Our scientific power has out-run our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

[H2O Man]

35. Recommended.

Same playbook as they always use.

[Jack Valentino]

36. AGREED, there was NO "imminent threat"---

Just a possible longer-term threat... which did not demand that Trump bomb Iran on Saturday.



Now, whatever the Israelis may have been demanding, is another question altogether.

[spanone]

44. He wants that vacation property on the Gaza strip, Gabbard told him the truth

Maybe that's the price bibi agreed to pay him?