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Renew Deal

(84,317 posts)
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 09:44 AM Jun 24

There appears to be misiniformation stating there was no ceasefire, despite evidence.

Iran acknowledged the ceasefire via multiple channels including this one:




And Isreal supposedly said there was a cease fire:

"Netanyahu agreed to the ceasefire and said Israel would not conduct any more strikes as long as Iran stopped launching missiles, the White House official said."

https://www.axios.com/2025/06/24/trump-iran-israel-ceasefire-victory

And we all know Trump says there was a ceasefire.

Not sure why people are trying to spread misinfo on this topic.
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There appears to be misiniformation stating there was no ceasefire, despite evidence. (Original Post) Renew Deal Jun 24 OP
BiBi said he was preparing for another attack on Tehran..................... Lovie777 Jun 24 #1
This is misinfo Renew Deal Jun 24 #4
Tehran Times is closely linked to the Iranian Government. Just reporting what they said. chia Jun 24 #39
This guy is in the government Renew Deal Jun 24 #41
Do you trust anyone in this? Trump? Israel? Iran? All I know is every single outlet after Trump's announcement chia Jun 24 #42
Did both parties sign a cease fire agreement? SARose Jun 24 #2
And we all know Trump says there was a ceasefire. uncle ray Jun 24 #3
And the subtitle translating what he said is: Now gimme my Nobel Peace Prize check. Attilatheblond Jun 24 #26
There was. Kind of. It was cooked up by Netanyahu who played Trump vanessa_ca Jun 24 #5
Yes. It was cooked up by Netanyahu. AloeVera Jun 24 #7
At least in the initial part when it was announced, I think most had a justifiable skepticism because of trump's lostincalifornia Jun 24 #6
Well... but did the firing cease? Scrivener7 Jun 24 #8
At this moment, it appears so Renew Deal Jun 24 #9
It won't last because nothing has been definitively resolved newdeal2 Jun 24 #10
Israel says they have "achieved all of their war goals." Renew Deal Jun 24 #16
Each side seems to be saying the other is still shooting. Scrivener7 Jun 24 #12
Link? Renew Deal Jun 24 #14
They made a desert and called it peace. Tacitus Ping Tung Jun 24 #11
It was a concept of a ceasfire ... doublethink Jun 24 #13
Duzy worthy Brother Buzz Jun 24 #18
Trump spread that misinformation himself this morning. Raine1967 Jun 24 #15
Which part? Renew Deal Jun 24 #17
This here: Raine1967 Jun 24 #19
Which part of that? Renew Deal Jun 24 #20
I think it is because the ceasefire was announced by Trump only karynnj Jun 24 #21
Exactly Mossfern Jun 24 #23
Perhaps some see ceasefire and B.See Jun 24 #22
Yeah, I think a ceasefire MorbidButterflyTat Jun 24 #24
You might want to hold off on the accusations given that your evidence is a UK-based outlet with no direct ties to Iran. W_HAMILTON Jun 24 #25
What about their minister of foreign affairs? Renew Deal Jun 24 #28
What about it? Both countries have attacked each other after the time that tweet was sent. W_HAMILTON Jun 24 #31
It's misiniformation to claim there wasn't a ceasefire Renew Deal Jun 24 #32
Tehran Times: "Iran has not agreed to a ceasefire. Trump is lying again" chia Jun 24 #27
Someone should tell their minister of foreign affairs Renew Deal Jun 24 #29
That was right after Trump's announcement. The articles an hour later softened the tone vanessa_ca Jun 24 #35
Wait! H2O Man Jun 24 #30
Need a better source. Iran International does not speak for Iran. Not a legitimate channel for this purpose. vanessa_ca Jun 24 #33
Does their minister of foreign affairs speak for them?? Renew Deal Jun 24 #34
Don't move the goalposts. You wrote "Iran acknowledged the ceasefire via multiple channels including this one" vanessa_ca Jun 24 #36
No one is moving goal posts Renew Deal Jun 24 #37
Touche on the better source, but it was an acknowledgement after the ceasefire started vanessa_ca Jun 24 #38
There's an MSNBC video with a specific timeline Renew Deal Jun 24 #40

Lovie777

(19,463 posts)
1. BiBi said he was preparing for another attack on Tehran.....................
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 09:50 AM
Jun 24

then shithole, I guess, wanted a cease fire without actually negotiating a damn thing.

Iran knew nothing about it. Then hours later, both Iran and Israel acknowledged it.

So I believe it was a ruse.

chia

(2,615 posts)
42. Do you trust anyone in this? Trump? Israel? Iran? All I know is every single outlet after Trump's announcement
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 03:53 PM
Jun 24

of a ceasefire accepted it as fact, because Trump said so - even while saying that there had been no confirmation from either Israel or Iran that they'd agreed to a ceasefire.

If they wobble towards one now, it wasn't clear-cut at the start.



SARose

(1,687 posts)
2. Did both parties sign a cease fire agreement?
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 09:51 AM
Jun 24

What were the terms? Monitoring?

Or was it just Trump flapping his gums on Truth Social?

As my Grandmother used to say “if wishes were fishes, we’d all have a fry.”

Or is this another example of “The great and powerful Oz has spoken!”

What did Israel get? Iran?

Color me skeptical.

vanessa_ca

(367 posts)
5. There was. Kind of. It was cooked up by Netanyahu who played Trump
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 09:55 AM
Jun 24

Vance was dispatched to get Iran on board. Iran said hell no at first when it was being shoved down their throat then softened when told Israel had agreed and said they would abide by one as long as Israel didn't lob anything at them in which case all bets were off.
Israel refused to publicly announce their agreement to this so called ceasefire Netanyahu played Trump with and informed their pols not to comment on it, but it was reported in Israeli papers as "Trump says". Later Israeli Likud papers were quoting an "anonymous official". It was clearly a ploy.

I wrote last night that Iran was being set up to so Israel could claim they violated the ceasefire and then bomb the shit out of them. Which is precisely what happened.

So, basically there was the concept of a ceasefire and Trump was played like a fiddle, the realization which has angered him. It was another ruse.

At least that's how I saw and still see it.

AloeVera

(3,440 posts)
7. Yes. It was cooked up by Netanyahu.
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 10:16 AM
Jun 24

Iran is being bombed again. Regime change is the goal.

Honestly, who in their right mind, knowing Israel's history of manipulating and sabotaging ceasefires, and intent to eliminate any threats to its hegemony, did NOT see that coming??

Trump really is that stupid and Netanyahu really is that evil.

lostincalifornia

(3,990 posts)
6. At least in the initial part when it was announced, I think most had a justifiable skepticism because of trump's
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 09:58 AM
Jun 24

history of habitual lying.

However, after both countries reluctantly agreed to a ceasefire, it befuddles why some would continue to deny it.

By appearances, one might think that some would hope that it isn't valid or fails because it would give trump credit for it.

Of course trump created the situation in the first place by walking away from the Obama Iran nuclear deal, which I suspect most of the public has conveniently forgotten about.

but denying that a ceasefire was negotiated, with the help of Qatar, just because trump announced it, makes those pushing that line look quite silly.

newdeal2

(3,460 posts)
10. It won't last because nothing has been definitively resolved
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 11:11 AM
Jun 24

See how quickly the Gaza ceasefire floundered under Trump.

doublethink

(7,226 posts)
13. It was a concept of a ceasfire ...
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 12:13 PM
Jun 24

you know like a concept of a healthcare plan, a concept of this a concept of that ... get back to you in 2 weeks on this.

Raine1967

(11,654 posts)
19. This here:
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 12:24 PM
Jun 24

Maybe I am misunderstanding something.

Trump is furious at Israel this morning for bombing Iran after his cease fire was announced, and says he’s “not happy with Israel” and they “don’t know what the fuck they’re doing.”

Ron Filipkowski (@ronfilipkowski.bsky.social) 2025-06-24T11:24:40.435Z

karynnj

(60,429 posts)
21. I think it is because the ceasefire was announced by Trump only
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 12:39 PM
Jun 24

and he did so on truth social. A joint announcement including the warring parties would be more typical and the timing would be more straight forward - ie one specific time for both.

Even then, in any ceasefire I can remember, there is reporting on ANY attack, even as all parties agree that the ceasefire is still in effect.
With all ceasefires, whether it ends the fighting will only be known as time passes. It is still too early.

Things it is probably too early to really know:
1. Is Iran's nuclear program completely gone, weakened, or driven underground elsewhere and motivated to make a bomb?

2. Will Israel agree to permanently not attack Iran or will they work to destabilize it and get regime change.

3. Would actions by the Houthies or Hezbollah count as violations by Iraq.

4. Is Gaza to be seen as a proxy war on Iran's part?

A ceasefire is good, but a ceasefire is just that -stopping the current round of fighting. That in an area with enough different conflicts it hurts my head to even think about the overall situation.

One interesting situation is the extremely vain, childish Trump now is unlikely to be completely in line with Bibi.

B.See

(5,965 posts)
22. Perhaps some see ceasefire and
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 12:48 PM
Jun 24

AGREEMENT to ceasefire as two different things... seeing as how ceasefire "agreements" have gone so far.

W_HAMILTON

(9,371 posts)
25. You might want to hold off on the accusations given that your evidence is a UK-based outlet with no direct ties to Iran.
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 01:00 PM
Jun 24

And, in fact, it sounds like they have a pretty contentious relationship with the country given that they are banned there and recently even had to suspend their UK operations due to threats from the Iranian government: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-64690387

EDIT: And, actually just reading through some other articles, there are much more reputable news outlets that have reported that Iran did NOT agree to the ceasefire, so please delete or edit your OP since your claims and sources appear to be the misinformation here:

...

The apparent ceasefire agreement — which Iranian officials never formally confirmed they had begun honoring — appeared to falter within just a couple hours early Tuesday.


Taken from: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-says-iran-israel-ceasefire-in-effect-after-both-sides-violated-it/ar-AA1Hj5C2

W_HAMILTON

(9,371 posts)
31. What about it? Both countries have attacked each other after the time that tweet was sent.
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 02:40 PM
Jun 24

Trump -- who you took at his word earlier, so you believe him now, too, yes? -- confirmed as much, saying, "Iran “violated it, but Israel violated it too."

Face it: all three sides are well known liars and it's not surprising that a hastily announced ceasefire by the orange dipshit either was never agreed to or it fell through almost immediately. Either way, it's not misinformation to report the clusterfuck as the clusterfuck that it is.

vanessa_ca

(367 posts)
35. That was right after Trump's announcement. The articles an hour later softened the tone
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 03:00 PM
Jun 24

and acknowledged the concept of a ceasefire had been presented to them and that they would abide by it as long as Israel didn't lob anything at them.
Vance was in charge of getting Iran on board with Israel's little ceasefire proposal to Trump and wasn't quite done convincing them when they printed what you linked to. But yeah, that was their initial reaction when Trump made his grandiose announcement of that half-baked concept of a ceasefire as if it was already a done deal.
I have no doubt he thought it was a done deal when he did, but it takes two to ceasefire and Iran wasn't on board yet

H2O Man

(77,514 posts)
30. Wait!
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 02:23 PM
Jun 24

Doesn't that mean we can't trust the media, much less the felon and Netanyahu?


Recommended.

vanessa_ca

(367 posts)
33. Need a better source. Iran International does not speak for Iran. Not a legitimate channel for this purpose.
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 02:55 PM
Jun 24

It's a London/Washington DC/Israeli front headquartered in London (and sometimes DC), established in 2017. It's the equivalent of quoting Reza Pahlavi.

vanessa_ca

(367 posts)
36. Don't move the goalposts. You wrote "Iran acknowledged the ceasefire via multiple channels including this one"
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 03:04 PM
Jun 24

I am correctly pointing out to you that Iran International is a propaganda channel and not a channel for the Iranian government. It is your phrasing in the initial post that is wrong.

Renew Deal

(84,317 posts)
37. No one is moving goal posts
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 03:26 PM
Jun 24

The tweet says that "Iranian state media said a ceasefire between Iran and Israel came into effect at 7:30 a.m. local time on Tuesday." You don't like the messenger, but you don't seem to be arguing about the message.

I also quoted an Axios article saying that Netanyahu agreed to the ceasefire, which used the WH as a source. I didn't speak with Netanyahu myself.

You said you needed a better source, which I provided.




So it might be time to acknowledge the cease fire existed. (This is starting to sound like election denial)

vanessa_ca

(367 posts)
38. Touche on the better source, but it was an acknowledgement after the ceasefire started
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 03:39 PM
Jun 24

I had already answered your main point here in reply #35 https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220427402#post35

I was just quibbling with your assertion in the OP that Iran officially acknowledged earlier than that via a UK-based propaganda outlet.



Renew Deal

(84,317 posts)
40. There's an MSNBC video with a specific timeline
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 03:46 PM
Jun 24

But at this point, I think it's off topic.

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