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applegrove

(126,503 posts)
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 12:46 PM Jun 24

Gotta love the Parliamentarian:

Senate Parliamentarian appreciation day! She BLOCKED GOP plans to sell off public lands, gut environmental protections, & force oil drilling—these provisions now need 60 votes to pass & 4 Republicans said they’re voting no.

This is momentum.
Keep calling.
Keep fighting. 🌲💪

Jennifer ✨Get In Good Trouble (@thejenniwren.teamlh.social) 2025-06-24T15:37:37.834Z
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Fiendish Thingy

(19,827 posts)
1. I don't think public pressure had anything to do with the parliamentarian's ruling
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 12:51 PM
Jun 24

Her job is to provide nonpartisan rulings on wether legislation complies with senate rules.

newdeal2

(3,158 posts)
4. No but it may help in getting some R's to vote against those provisions
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 12:59 PM
Jun 24

They won’t come close to 60 votes then.

DENVERPOPS

(12,805 posts)
11. Very recently
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 02:08 PM
Jun 24

there were 18-20 Dems who voted for one of their Nefarious Bills........including one of Colorado's Senators.....Hickenlooper..........

We have three Colorado Politicians who are questionable in all things......Senators Hickenlooper, Bennett, and Gov Polis........
And one, Bennett, who is spending most of his time, not dealing with the Nation's problems, but campaigning to become Colorado's Governor......Heaven help us.....

GusBob

(7,914 posts)
15. My Social Media groups are blowed up with outdoorsman lobbying their reps
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 03:31 PM
Jun 24

So not her but the reps are getting an earful

Hikers, campers, outdoor lovers of all types,

including hunters who are the most vocal and tend to be GOP

maxsolomon

(36,797 posts)
2. I was hoping this would be the case.
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 12:51 PM
Jun 24

Citizen pressure campaigns didn't call the Parliamentarian, though.

Repuke Senators should have known better than to try this. Not Reconciliationable.

maxsolomon

(36,797 posts)
6. Probably.
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 01:03 PM
Jun 24

There are strict rules about what can go in Reconciliation Bills and bypass cloture.

leftstreet

(36,818 posts)
8. But it's just an advisor role
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 01:16 PM
Jun 24

from wiki

While the parliamentarian provides advice, the presiding officer or the Senate itself ultimately makes the final decision on procedural matters


sounds like a scapegoat

GB_RN

(3,391 posts)
14. True.
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 03:19 PM
Jun 24

Her rulings about what is/are/not within the rules is an advisory, but the Senate usually follows her rulings. Only been a few times that she’s been overruled. Killing the filibuster for judges (both when Reid did it and then later, McConnell) are two prime examples.

Brother Buzz

(38,816 posts)
7. Elizabeth MacDonough is a straight shooter and the marmalade shartcannon is steamed he can't fire her directly
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 01:06 PM
Jun 24

She's been taking a legal scalpel the Big Beautiful Bill, left and right.

Word is, the marmalade shartcannon is applying pressure to pub senators to can her.

AverageOldGuy

(2,697 posts)
10. How about we organize some other groups?
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 02:05 PM
Jun 24

National forests are interesting places. I won't go into details, but, in many areas national forests are used for recreation -- hiking, camping, 4-wheeling, fishing, and hunting. There is lumbering in some national forests with timber companies cutting trees.

I hunt, though not as much as I did years ago. My Mississippi Delta redneck cousin hunts and fishes for anything that moves. I would visit him each fall. We would hunt quail and pheasant on Delta farmland; hunt deer and wild hogs in the land along the Mississippi River.

Then every third year we would hunt national forests in E TN or W NC -- Joyce Kilmer, Pisgah, and Cherokee -- for deer and wild hogs.

If the national forests are sold you can bet that logging, mining, and "housing development" (rural McMansions that only Musk can afford) will take over, then the camping, hiking, fishing, and hunting is done for.

We need to shout this fact from the rooftops. Get this matter before local hiking, camping, hunting, etc., groups. Get the NRA involved -- believe it or not, hunters are conservationists where forest land is concerned.

liberalla

(10,585 posts)
13. Thank you thank you thank you!!!
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 03:17 PM
Jun 24

I'm so happy to read this! This really was upsetting me (the less spicy version of what I wanted to say)... what a relief!
Yay!

littlemissmartypants

(28,320 posts)
17. The Byrd Rule
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 03:34 PM
Jun 24
https://www.aol.co.uk/senate-byrd-rule-upends-trump-163626929.html

What is the Byrd Rule?

The Byrd Rule, adopted in 1985, is a procedural constraint named after the late Senator Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia to prohibit “extraneous” provisions from being tacked onto reconciliation bills, which are fast-tracked budget packages that allow legislation to pass with a simple majority, bypassing the 60-vote filibuster threshold.

The rule makes it so that every line of a reconciliation package must have a direct and substantive impact on federal spending or revenues. Provisions that serve primarily policy goals—rather than budgetary ones—are subject to elimination by a parliamentary maneuver known as a point of order. Whether a point of order is sustained is ultimately made by the parliamentarian, who is essentially the Senate’s umpire tasked with providing nonpartisan advice and ensuring that lawmakers are complying with the Senate’s rules.

Parliamentarians often face backlash during the budget reconciliation process, when they determine whether policy proposals comply with the constraints of the Byrd Rule.

Cha

(312,534 posts)
18. Wow.. she's at it again! First she Blocks
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 03:48 PM
Jun 24

Fascists from Doing away with Judicial Oversight.. and Now.. Wow!

Thank Goodness For Elizabeth MacDonough! 💙

Mahalo, Apple!

LetMyPeopleVote

(165,547 posts)
19. Overlapping problems create uncertainty over the future of the Republican megabill
Thu Jun 26, 2025, 05:04 PM
Thursday

Donald Trump has said the GOP is united behind the inaptly named One Big Beautiful Bill Act. The truth for Republicans isn't nearly that simple.

Overlapping problems create uncertainty over the future of the Republican megabill www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo... via @msnbc

Slapshot1955 (@slapshot19551.bsky.social) 2025-06-26T20:41:04.730Z



https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/overlapping-problems-create-uncertainty-future-republican-megabill-rcna214977

As things stand, Republicans are basically confronting five problems:

1. GOP numbers aren’t adding up: The Congressional Budget Office concluded last week that the House version of the package would add $3.4 trillion to the national debt, and this week, the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation found that proposed Senate changes would add an additional $400 billion to the price tag.

2. The Byrd bath: Because Republicans are relying on the budget reconciliation process, which prevents Democrats from derailing the bill with a filibuster, GOP lawmakers are having to subject the legislation to a complex process — which includes having the Senate parliamentarian remove provisions that run afoul of certain budgetary rules. This process is known as the “Byrd bath,” named after the late Democratic Sen. Bob Byrd of West Virginia.

In recent days, several key measures have already been stricken from the bill, including elements the party was counting on to help GOP numbers add up. This has caused a behind-the-scenes scramble that has not yet been resolved.

On Thursday, the developments for the party managed to get even worse. NBC News reported, "Republicans suffered a blow Thursday after the Senate referee ruled that a series of health care cuts and savings in their sweeping domestic policy bill are ineligible for the party-line path they're using to get around the chamber's 60-vote threshold."

The result leaves GOP leaders with limited choices: They can (a) look for other solutions; (b) try to tweak the legislation and ask the parliamentarian to take another look; or (c) vote to override the parliamentarian, which would be a radical and dramatic move that would risk altering how the institution functions going forward.

3. Far-right House Republicans think the Senate’s approach isn’t conservative enough: As The New York Times reported, “Some conservatives in the House only grudgingly voted for the legislation the first time, arguing that it did not go far enough in cutting spending, including on Medicaid. They agreed to support the package only after securing what they characterized as commitments from their Senate colleagues to enact deeper cuts and fix the measure. Now, those House Republicans regard the bill taking shape in the Senate, which party leaders hope to push through within days, as even worse.”

4. House Republicans from competitive districts think the Senate’s approach is too conservative: As NBC News reported, “On Tuesday, 16 House Republicans — almost all representing competitive districts — sent a letter rebelling against the Senate’s Medicaid cuts. They fretted that those policies would ‘place additional burdens on hospitals,’ among other things.”

5. The entire effort is unpopular. I mean, really unpopular. Republican officials have been working on this for roughly eight months, and talking up how great their plan is, but at least for now, the American mainstream isn't buying what the GOP is selling, which puts added pressure on members worried about their re-election prospects.

Given the scope of the intraparty disagreements, it’s not yet clear how, when or whether Republicans will work out their differences, and given the narrow margins in both chambers, the margin of error for party leaders is small. That said, if recent history is any guide, most, if not all, of the GOP members expressing skepticism about the legislation can be expected to cave after a couple of angry phone calls and tweets from the president.

We are headed to a debt ceiling issue soon which is why trump wants this bill done by July 4. I doubt that this will happen and we may see an emergency extension of the debt ceiling.
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