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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo these are tents, in a swamp, during Hurricane season.
https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=579037121931176
Irish_Dem
(72,736 posts)GaYellowDawg
(5,031 posts)nm
jmbar2
(7,101 posts)We've crossed the line. They intend to kill people.
Irish_Dem
(72,736 posts)nolabear
(43,792 posts)And vermin. And heat. And probably fire ants. Honestly, having lived in bayou country as a kid, the gators are the least of their worries.
And looking at those cages I saw not one toilet or sink. Will they have to beg to go to the John or get water in 100° heat?
Something horrible is going to happen.
if that was a concern, people wouldn't be living all over the Everglades. I just drove Alligator Alley and camped in the Everglades last October and it was fine.
Baitball Blogger
(50,588 posts)Justice matters.
(8,678 posts)Greg_In_SF
(411 posts)in The Keys and Everglades for 3.5 weeks and went through plenty of storms. My point is that saying there are disease carrying mosquitos isn't really an argument. I don't recall one mosquito bite my whole trip. Let's focus on the things that really matter about this facility. Mosquitos simply are not one of them.
Justice matters.
(8,678 posts)My metabolism attracted all of them when I had a farm (not for long as I couldn't stand the suffering any longer after a while).
But if a Cat-3-4-5-(+?) shows up, what if the cages remain full while the staff ran away?
Ping Tung
(3,152 posts)chicoescuela
(2,149 posts)What a sick bastard tsf is
jmbar2
(7,101 posts)chicoescuela
(2,149 posts)writerJT
(349 posts)What a nightmare.
ancianita
(41,174 posts)Takket
(23,113 posts)and "oops! it is crazy! the camp blew over and everyone died in the hurricane!"
Srkdqltr
(8,691 posts)RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
(858 posts)
liberal N proud
(61,124 posts)on humanity, between Putin, and Netanyahu, and the felon thug they are seeing how many people they can kill.
This has got to stop. How many innocent women, and children and men are going to be those cages???
Why isn't anyone stopping this???? That fucking Stephen Miller needs to be arrested. If that could ever happen.
JustAnotherGen
(35,923 posts)We don't pretend it isn't happening. We speak of it every chance we get. It's real.
And when the Regime falls - tribunals for them all including those who supplied the tents, cages, bunks, prepped the faculty and work at it.
No one gets let off the hook. People are going to die at this "camp" and it's by design.
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Baitball Blogger
(50,588 posts)ancianita
(41,174 posts)wiggs
(8,320 posts)ancianita
(41,174 posts)Don't drag the whole country or "us" or "we" into complicity with what this fascist is doing to the rest of us.
wiggs
(8,320 posts)captured MSM, captured courts, submissive law firms and tech companies, christian nationalists who are not really christians, and our otherwise seemingly-normal friends and colleagues. Our systems and institutions slowly transformed over 50 years -- morally, ethically, and legally -- so that when it comes time to defend against an assault the systems and institutions are not generally holding. The assault shouldn't have gotten past the voters, but once that wall was breached the interior has proven soft. This is not random circumstance due to the appearance of one sick f*ck....IMHO this has been fulfillment of decades of planning and investment.
There's room for both our viewpoints...you're welcome to yours. I believe I can lay blame on much of our country and institutional failure...and feel sorry and some shame for what our country is doing to victims here and globally.
ancianita
(41,174 posts)Sure, there's room for all opinions. Go ahead and hold the rest equally accountable and muddle his being the origin of who they've become as they offer you drama and distraction. But.
Except for him, you would not have to.
LudwigPastorius
(13,024 posts)...which the Trumpists are counting on.
My country is descending into Hell
taxi
(2,411 posts)This hurricane went through West Palm Beach before killing 2,500 people forty miles inland. The concentration camp is about 55 miles south of Lake Okeechobee and 50 miles inland. Please watch the 90 second video.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/swamp-okeechobee-hurricane-1928/
https://m.&pp=ygUZb2tlZWNob2JlZSBodXJyaWNhbmUgMTkyONIHCQnBCQGHKiGM7w%3D%3D
flashman13
(1,421 posts)If those tents are not air conditioned they will become ovens (Where have we heard that term before?) in the sun. People will die of heat stroke and dehydration. I would describe that as crimes against humanity. I will remind everyone that we tried and executed Nazis for crimes against humanity. It is horrifying that we as a nation have come to this.
Ping Tung
(3,152 posts)drivers, etc should be treated as accessories to the crimes.
LetMyPeopleVote
(166,920 posts)This is a poorly constructed concentration camp that floods in normal rain. If a hurricane hits this area, the death toll will be really sad.
New video showed a "garden-variety South Florida summer rainstorm" flooding tents and drowning out Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) as he touted the "Alligator Alcatrez" detention facility he claimed was ready to house deportees, according to The Miami Herald.
— Raw Story (@rawstory.com) 2025-07-02T16:45:23Z
https://www.rawstory.com/alligator-alcatraz-2672557600
Rain began shortly after President Donald Trump finished up his tour of the Everglades facility that the White House claimed needed little security due to pythons and alligators surrounding it, the report said.
"The water seeped into the site the one that earlier in day the states top emergency chief had boasted was ready to withstand the winds of a 'high-end' Category 2 hurricane and streamed all over electrical cables on the floor," wrote reporters Syra Ortiz Blanes, Ana Ceballos, and Alex Harris.
They quoted Kevin Guthrie, executive director of the Florida Division of Emergency Management, as saying, For those people that dont think were taking that into consideration. This is Florida, by the way. We have a hurricane plan.
But The Herald reported "that at one point the roof was shaking as the rain pounded down, drowning out Gov. Ron DeSantis voice as he spoke to reporters."
Spectrum News reporter Jason Delgado posted video of the flooding, and of DeSantis trying to talk over the cacophony.
Link to tweet
LetMyPeopleVote
(166,920 posts)The immigrant detention center is underwater within a day of opening.
The Miami Herald reports: âRainfall seeped through the edges of the facility as the roofs and walls trembled. Drips leaked from above a door frame. The water spread under poles hoisting the Florida and U.S. flags.â
— The New Republic (@newrepublic.com) 2025-07-02T20:42:26.914973Z
https://trib.al/esvxjNw
https://newrepublic.com/post/197552/trump-alligator-alcatraz-flood
Florida officials have assured the public that the facility, which will cost an estimated $450 million per year to operate, was built to withstand a Category 2 hurricane (though the Naples Daily News notes that winds of recent hurricanes in the area have significantly exceeded Category 2 levels).
A report by the Miami Herald further casts into doubt official claims about the facilitys durability. According to the Herald, a garden-variety South Florida summer rainstorm on Tuesday afternoonof about an inch-and-a-half of raincaused flooding in the facility.
The Herald reports: Rainfall seeped through the edges of the facility as the roofs and walls trembled. Drips leaked from above a door frame. The water spread under poles hoisting the Florida and U.S. flags.
Link to tweet