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lapucelle

(20,767 posts)
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 09:17 AM Sep 22

What exactly happened in the Senate with the Charlie Kirk Day resolution

I've posted a version of this at least a dozen times in the past few days in an effort to push back against the inaccurate "the Senate voted unanimously to commemorate a racist troll with a special day" rage bait that has appeared everywhere, including on DU.

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Here's what happened on the Senate floor:

Rick Scott asked for unanimous consent to proceed with the consideration of his Charlie Kirk Day resolution. No one objected, so consideration of the resolution proceeded.

Why didn't a Democrat object and force a vote on the motion? Here's a possible answer: It could well have been that there wasn't a single Democrat on the Senate floor. What leads to that conclusion? The record shows that it is likely that a quorum wasn't present.

That means that either all of the Democrats and some of the Republicans were not in the chamber or that some Democrats and some Republicans were not there. Either way, at least 51 senators appear to have skipped the shit show.

Senate rules presume a quorum in legislative session. In other words, "we do have a quorum" is the default setting.

The roll gets called only if a senator makes a motion "suggesting the absence of quorum". That motion leads to a roll call as the initial step to a quorum call to the absent senators.

If a motion to rescind the quorum call (i.e. stop the roll call to see if at least 51 senators are there) is passed by unanimous consent, the issue of whether or not there's a quorum goes back to its default setting, i.e. the presumption that a quorum is present.

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What makes it likely to surmise that there was no quorum?

- Scott (R) ("notwithstanding rule XXII" ) was careful not to invoke cloture.

- At the end of his ridiculous speech, Tuberville (R), suggested the absence of a quorum, and a roll call was ordered and initiated

- The roll call was stopped when Lankford (R) asked for unanimous consent for the quorum call to be rescinded.

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The resolution itself was "approved" by a voice vote of those present in the chamber.

Who do we know with certainty was actually there? Only the three Republicans on the record.

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From the Congressional Record:

Mr. SCOTT of Florida: Mr. President, as if in legislative session and notwithstanding rule XXII, I ask unanimous consent that the Senate proceed to the consideration of S. Res. 403, which was submitted earlier today.

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Mr. Tuberville: I suggest the absence of a quorum.

The PRESIDING OFFICER: The clerk will call the roll.
The senior assistant executive clerk proceeded to call the roll.

Mr. LANKFORD: Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.

The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr.MORENO): Without objection, it is so ordered.

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/96-452

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I can't find a procedural reason for Tuberville to have suggested the absence of a quorum (triggering a roll call) other than the fact that the question and partial roll call would become part of the congressional record.

Could it be that MAGA Senators wanted to be able to hold the absence over the heads of Republicans who did not comply? After all, if an additional 48 Republican senators (out of the total of 53) had been on floor, there would have been a quorum. Republicans didn't need a single Democrat to have been present for there to have been a quorum of 51 senators and a roll call vote with everyone's position on the record.

MAGA senators have their party's noncompliance receipts in the form of the congressional record.

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What exactly happened in the Senate with the Charlie Kirk Day resolution (Original Post) lapucelle Sep 22 OP
Thank you for explaining what happened. Bob in the Land Sep 22 #1
Ditto this... Alice B. Sep 22 #17
I love it when anyone admits something like Cha Sep 22 #39
Yup *blush* Alice B. Sep 22 #42
I think you did Good! Cha Sep 22 #44
Thank you! Alice B. Sep 23 #46
Thank you for this explanation. I couldn't imagine that Dem senators would vote for, Ocelot II Sep 22 #2
Have the Democrats ever pulled this sweet trick? leftstreet Sep 22 #3
Chuck Schumer used the rare "standing hold on unanimous consent" procedure, as well as blue slip holds lapucelle Sep 22 #7
keeping in mind that humans are fallible, and some more than others, i suggest a simpler explanation unblock Sep 22 #4
Perhaps, but Tuberville has a solid record of devious procedural moves. lapucelle Sep 22 #8
That's not devious. Obnoxious, certainly, but not devious unblock Sep 22 #22
Tuberville "not devious"... Ha! Cha Sep 22 #41
oddly, though, what's an official senate meeting if there's not a quorum? unblock Sep 22 #5
I would imagine that the Senate is in session whenever it's stated on the calendar. lapucelle Sep 22 #38
The article implies there were no dems there unblock Sep 22 #40
The session is on the Senate calendar. N/T lapucelle Sep 23 #45
(Edited) We should verify in the CR about who voted rather than speculate LearnedHand Sep 22 #6
Stop it. Neither Senator Kelly nor Senator Gallegos co-sponsored the resolution. lapucelle Sep 22 #10
Oh you're exactly right and I was looking at the wrong Senate Resolution LearnedHand Sep 22 #13
There were no votes to be recorded Fiendish Thingy Sep 22 #12
The CR will never list the votes because there was no roll call. lapucelle Sep 22 #14
There is no record of a roll call vote because there was no roll call vote. lapucelle Sep 22 #16
If you want to verify by the Congressional Record, here is what the Congressional Record states. lapucelle Sep 22 #18
The Congressional Record does not record who was present Wiz Imp Sep 22 #23
I am a little confused. Katinfl Sep 22 #9
Officially? No, although on October 14, 2025 right wingers will be commemorating. N/T lapucelle Sep 22 #15
The Senate passed resolution declares October 14, 2025 A Day of Remembrance Wiz Imp Sep 22 #25
Thanks for the clarification. Katinfl Sep 22 #28
Yeah, but some clickbait video said "UNANIMOUSLY" in all caps Fiendish Thingy Sep 22 #11
Don't blame this on videos. In fact I don't recall seeing videos declaring this at all. Wiz Imp Sep 22 #27
I think it's worth pointing out the difference between passing unanimously and unanimous consent, but the rest of this tritsofme Sep 22 #19
This was a controversial resolution, and there are folks having a field day with anti-Democratic Party messaging lapucelle Sep 22 #20
This might be the only place it is controversial. tritsofme Sep 22 #21
That's a fair point, but facts are the best ammunition in pushing back lapucelle Sep 22 #24
I believe the Democrats in the Senate Prairie_Seagull Sep 22 #26
That was the House resolution. It was different from the Senate resolution. lapucelle Sep 22 #29
Thanks lapucelle. Prairie_Seagull Sep 22 #30
Not exactly correct. Wiz Imp Sep 22 #31
Thanks Wiz Imp. nt Prairie_Seagull Sep 22 #34
Will there be a public execution for the suspect soon? twodogsbarking Sep 22 #32
At the 46 second mark of this video is the Senate when Tuberville calls for Wiz Imp Sep 22 #33
It sounds like one freaking voice --- Rick Scott's. lapucelle Sep 22 #35
I so appreciate your efforts to set the record straight mcar Sep 22 #36
Thanks. I think Wiz Imp came up with the best receipt of all... lapucelle Sep 22 #37
lol.. ".. the best receipt of all.. " Cha Sep 22 #43

Bob in the Land

(55 posts)
1. Thank you for explaining what happened.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 09:33 AM
Sep 22

More failure of the corporate legacy media who would have you believe that there was a roll call where every senator voted for this resolution.

Alice B.

(660 posts)
17. Ditto this...
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:25 AM
Sep 22

I’m embarrassed to have reacted without reading further or asking better questions.

Cha

(315,396 posts)
39. I love it when anyone admits something like
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 08:43 PM
Sep 22

this... We admit it, learn from it, and move on.

Ocelot II

(128,042 posts)
2. Thank you for this explanation. I couldn't imagine that Dem senators would vote for,
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 09:33 AM
Sep 22

or at least not object to, this resolution. It appears that these resolutions can be passed as long as there's at least one warm body on the senate floor? Could a senator hypothetically sneak in at midnight and call for a resolution and vote for it all by himself?

leftstreet

(37,861 posts)
3. Have the Democrats ever pulled this sweet trick?
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 09:36 AM
Sep 22

As long as the House and Senate insist on having these dumb treehouse club rules....

lapucelle

(20,767 posts)
7. Chuck Schumer used the rare "standing hold on unanimous consent" procedure, as well as blue slip holds
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 09:54 AM
Sep 22

to create a log jam of Trump nominees.



unblock

(55,750 posts)
4. keeping in mind that humans are fallible, and some more than others, i suggest a simpler explanation
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 09:36 AM
Sep 22

tuberville was correct that there wasn't a quorum, but unthinkingly did the proper procedural thing by calling attention to it, when a more devious republican stepped in, realizing that they could pass the resolution in the absence of a quorum as long as they didn't do anything that procedurally requires it.

in short, tuberville momentarily screwed up the republican plan (notwithstanding that scott made it clear they wanted to proceed without a quorum) and lankford rescued it.

lapucelle

(20,767 posts)
8. Perhaps, but Tuberville has a solid record of devious procedural moves.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 09:57 AM
Sep 22

He created havoc with a standing hold on Joe Biden's defense department nominees.

unblock

(55,750 posts)
22. That's not devious. Obnoxious, certainly, but not devious
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 11:23 AM
Sep 22

Holds are standard, all he did was be extreme about it.

Holding meetings while carefully avoiding anything requiring a quorum is not standard and definitely devious...

unblock

(55,750 posts)
5. oddly, though, what's an official senate meeting if there's not a quorum?
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 09:39 AM
Sep 22

if the majority leader and the president pro tem see each other in the bathroom, can they declare they're in session and pass anything they damn please as long as it doesn't require a quorum?

lapucelle

(20,767 posts)
38. I would imagine that the Senate is in session whenever it's stated on the calendar.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 07:46 PM
Sep 22

If the president calls a special session, all senators must be notified.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/resources/pdf/2025_calendar.pdf



unblock

(55,750 posts)
40. The article implies there were no dems there
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 08:44 PM
Sep 22

Surely dems would send one person there to call for a quorum if there wasn't one, unless they didn't know about the session.

I guess if republicans were exactly one short of a quorum, then the democrat would be wiser to not be there, preventing a quorum although unable to officially demand a quorum count.

LearnedHand

(5,092 posts)
6. (Edited) We should verify in the CR about who voted rather than speculate
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 09:53 AM
Sep 22
Until the CR lists the votes, how the Dems did or didn’t vote is just guesswork. But at least two Dems were closely involved in the resolution.

Sorry folks. I’m correcting my misinformation. I was looking at the wrong Senate Resolution. I do stand by my assertion that we shouldn’t guess about what Dems did and verify it instead by the Congressional Record.

lapucelle

(20,767 posts)
10. Stop it. Neither Senator Kelly nor Senator Gallegos co-sponsored the resolution.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:06 AM
Sep 22
Neither Kelly nor Gallegos co-sponsored the resolution. Where is that misinformation coming from?

S.Res.403 - A resolution expressing support for the designation of October 14, 2025, as the "National Day of Remembrance for Charlie Kirk".


https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-resolution/403/cosponsors

LearnedHand

(5,092 posts)
13. Oh you're exactly right and I was looking at the wrong Senate Resolution
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:11 AM
Sep 22

I’ll amend my post.

Fiendish Thingy

(21,281 posts)
12. There were no votes to be recorded
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:08 AM
Sep 22

It was a voice vote by unanimous consent, and individual votes are not recorded.

lapucelle

(20,767 posts)
14. The CR will never list the votes because there was no roll call.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:11 AM
Sep 22

It was a voice vote by those present in the chamber.

So to correct any misinformation *accidentally* being spread

There was no roll call vote and NO DEMOCRATIC SENATOR CO-SPONSORED THE RESOLUTION.


lapucelle

(20,767 posts)
16. There is no record of a roll call vote because there was no roll call vote.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:19 AM
Sep 22

The only speculation is that there will be a verifiable roll call tally of a vote that never happened.



lapucelle

(20,767 posts)
18. If you want to verify by the Congressional Record, here is what the Congressional Record states.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:33 AM
Sep 22

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-resolution/403/all-actions
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SENATE RESOLUTION 403--EXPRESSING SUPPORT FOR THE DESIGNATION OF OCTOBER 14, 2025, AS THE "NATIONAL DAY OF REMEMBRANCE FOR CHARLIE KIRK''

Mr. SCOTT of Florida (for himself, Mr. Tuberville, Mr. Risch, Mr. Cassidy, Mr. Crapo, Mr. Sullivan, Mrs. Hyde-Smith, Mr. Moreno, Mr.
Ricketts, Mr. Sheehy, Mr. Paul, Mr. Hawley, Mr. Graham, Mr. Daines, Mr. Lee, Mr. Kennedy, Mrs. Blackburn, Mr. Cruz, Mr. Lankford, Mr. Mullin, Mrs. Moody, Mrs. Fischer, and Mr. Hagerty) submitted the following resolution; which was considered and agreed to:

S. Res. 403
[text of the resolution follows]

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-153/senate-section/article/S6736-2

Wiz Imp

(7,852 posts)
23. The Congressional Record does not record who was present
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 11:27 AM
Sep 22

Since it was a voice vote, it also doesn't record who voted. It only records those who spoke. Based on the Congressional Record, the only people in the Senate at the time the Resolution was introduced were

Rick Scott
Marsha Blackburn
Tuberville
Bernie Moreno
Rick Langford
Bill Hagerty

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-171/issue-153/senate-section/article/S6713-1

EXPRESSING SUPPORT FOR THE DESIGNATION OF OCTOBER 14, 2025, AS THE
``NATIONAL DAY OF REMEMBRANCE FOR CHARLIE KIRK''

Mr. SCOTT of Florida. Mr. President, as if in legislative session and
notwithstanding rule XXII, I ask unanimous consent that the Senate
proceed to the consideration of S. Res. 403, which was submitted
earlier today.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will report the resolution by title.
The senior assistant executive clerk read as follows:

A resolution (S. Res. 403) expressing support for the
designation of October 14, 2025, as the ``National Day of
Remembrance for Charlie Kirk''.

There being no objection, the Senate proceeded to consider the
resolution.
Mr. SCOTT of Florida. I know of no further debate.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there further debate?
Hearing none, the question is on adoption of the resolution.
The resolution (S. Res. 403) was agreed to.
Mr. SCOTT of Florida. I ask unanimous consent that the preamble be
agreed to and that the motions to reconsider be considered made and
laid upon the table with no intervening action or debate.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
The preamble was agreed to.
(The resolution, with its preamble, is printed in today's Record
under ``Submitted Resolutions.'')
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Florida.
Mr. SCOTT of Florida. Mr. President, like most Americans, my wife Ann
and I are completely heartbroken by the tragic loss of our friend and
fellow patriot Charlie Kirk in a despicable, targeted assassination.
This is a devastating loss for his wife Erika and their two precious
kids and the millions, including myself, who felt the impact of
Charlie's work and were inspired by his devotion to God and his
beliefs.
Charlie was a good man, a devout husband, father, and friend. His
life was shaped by his faith and idea that in America, debate and
discussion are crucial to the betterment of our country. He believed in
God, the American dream, the value of family, and the principles of our
great Nation.
I talked to Charlie pretty much every week. I did his shows often. I
did his show 2 days before the assassination. We talked about that he
was going to be going to another college to visit. I have gone to
colleges to visit, and it is uplifting. But Charlie would go, and he
would take anybody's question and have a conversation with them. He
just was the most wonderful person to talk to, and so many people in
this country looked up to him.
Charlie dedicated his life to the idea that the power of our ideas
cannot only win the day but start a movement. And that is exactly what
he did. As the founder and executive director of the nonprofit Turning
Point USA, he and his team worked to build thousands of chapters across
the Nation dedicated to educating students about the principles of
freedom, free markets, and limited government.
Charlie inspired millions of young Americans to be involved in the
future of their country and make their voices heard. He traveled to
college campuses around the Nation to share ideas and talk about them.
Charlie was never afraid to have a conversation. He didn't care if
you agreed or disagreed with his ideas. He welcomed the opportunity to
respectfully and peacefully debate ideas in the court of public
opinion.
Unfortunately, Charlie was taken from us in a disgusting act of
political violence on September 10, 2025, but his legacy lives on.
Charlie will long be remembered for his love of God, his family and
this great Nation and the impact he had on each and every one of us.
We have the opportunity to carry on his memory by believing in the
power of ideas, discussion, and the value of our Nation. As we mourn
this massive loss, let us gather together in our communities and pray
for his family and our Nation. And let us honor Charlie by believing in
the power of our ideas to win the day and leave this Nation a better
place.
I am proud to have the support of more than 20 of my colleagues to
honor Charlie by dedicating his birthday--October 14, 2025--as
``National Day of Remembrance for Charlie Kirk.''
I want to thank my Senate colleagues for uniting together to honor a
great American patriot, a leader and friend.
Charlie will be remembered for the profound impact he had on our
lives and our Nation. On October 14, we will gather together as a
nation and pay tribute to his great life.
Now I will yield the floor to my colleague from Tennessee.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Tennessee.
Mrs. BLACKBURN. Mr. President, I thank my colleague from Florida for
bringing this resolution forward and for taking the time to honor a
true American patriot Charlie Kirk.
He was a champion for freedom, and he was a role model for millions
of young people across our country.
As my colleague had mentioned, he was a devoted husband to Erika and
an amazing father to his two children. We offer our condolences to his
family.
By adopting my colleague's resolution, this Chamber has an
opportunity to honor the legacy that Charlie is leaving. He believed in
robust, respectful, bipartisan debate. He encouraged you to challenge
your own thoughts and actions; he encouraged you to enter into that
debate, to commit to leaving this country in better shape than you
found it; and, of course, always giving back more than you took.

We are going to miss him desperately. I join many across the country
who are mourning with his family and praying that justice will be
served.
I am grateful to have known him personally, spending hours speaking
with him at Turning Point USA events and watching how Turning Point has
grown, not only into a nationwide but a global movement. He started it
when he was 18 years old.
One of the things that always impressed me was how he managed to stay
in contact, to offer to help to push issues forward, and to lend a hand
no matter how big or small the cause.
Recently, I appreciated hearing from him as I had put some
information forward, and he responded immediately on what a good idea
this was.
I do want to share just one example of his generosity. One of my
grandsons was such a fan of Charlie, and he wanted to start a Turning
Point chapter at his school. The school didn't want to have that
chapter, so my grandson had to find another way, which he did. I texted
Charlie to read him in on the situation, to make him aware. He jumped
in to support my grandson and to thank him for the effort.
My grandson said he really felt like Charlie was rooting for him in
this situation, and I think that is the way every young person felt
when they met him. They felt Charlie was on their side. He wanted the
best for them. He wanted to encourage them, to help them think
critically through issues that matter to our country.
To any young person mourning his loss, I encourage you to honor
Charlie's memory by continuing to support his movement to realize a
conservative, prosperous United States of America.
He believed in hard work and smart work, so honor him by working
hard, by working smart, by looking for those opportunities to be a
leader, to dream those big dreams like Charlie did, and then find a way
to make those dreams come true. That is how you honor his life and
legacy.
We will not allow his life or legacy to be forgotten, and we will not
stop fighting to eradicate the rot of political violence in our Nation
that claimed his life.
I yield to my colleague from Alabama.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Hagerty). The Senator from Alabama.
Mr. TUBERVILLE. Mr. President, I come to the floor today to honor my
friend and true American patriot Charlie Kirk.
Charlie was one of the most influential people in America. He was an
extremely effective teacher--I repeat, a

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teacher--of young people. He helped educate millions of young Americans
about patriotism and conservative moral values.
His organization, Turning Point USA, is largely credited with
President Trump's unprecedented success with young voters in this past
election.
But he didn't just reach out to conservative students. He was a
champion of free speech for everybody.
Over the past week, I have enjoyed seeing many, many, many videos of
Charlie's debates with college students all over our great country.
The first thing you notice when you watch these videos is how
brilliant Charlie was. He could beat anyone in a debate and, clearly,
had a great career in front of him.
But the second thing you notice about these debates is how kind
Charlie was. He never raised his voice. He never said anything hateful.
If you looked up the words ``positive attitude'' in the dictionary,
Charlie Kirk's name would come up.
I don't know if I could stay as calm as he did while he was talking
with some of these confused young students, to be honest with you. But
Charlie always rose above it and extended grace, even to the people he
disagreed with the most. That was clearly because of his Christian
faith, which influenced everything that Charlie did. He was extremely
outspoken about Christianity, and I truly believe this is one of the
main reasons that he lost his life.
He was also an incredible, devoted father and husband. He talked
often about how the most meaningful thing you can do in life is to get
married and have kids. What a powerful and much needed message for our
young people to hear.
There is so much more I could say about Charlie, but I think the
outpouring of love and support after his death speaks for itself. If
you notice, there haven't been riots this past week. Businesses have
not been forced to board up their windows. Instead, prayer vigils have
been held for Charlie not only across the country but around the world.
Pews and parking lots were overflowing in churches this past Sunday. I
have seen countless social media posts of people saying they purchased
their Bibles for the first time this week because of Charlie.
When Charlie was asked how he wanted to be remembered in an interview
earlier this year, he said he wanted to be remembered for having
courage for his faith. And that is exactly how Charlie is being
remembered.
Charlie may have gone home to be with the Lord, but his work here on
Earth won't stop.
I am glad to see that Turning Point has had more than 54,000 requests
for new chapters at colleges and high schools across the country.
I have a granddaughter Rosie Gracie, and I will absolutely encourage
her to get involved in Turning Point when she is just a little bit
older.
To Charlie's grieving wife Erika and his two beautiful children, we
are praying for you. Just know how grateful we are for Charlie's life
and legacy. I will continue fighting every day for the values that
Charlie believed in: faith, family, and freedom.
I yield the floor.
I suggest the absence of a quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk will call the roll.
The senior assistant executive clerk proceeded to call the roll.
Mr. LANKFORD. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order
for the quorum call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Moreno). Without objection, it is so
ordered.

Wiz Imp

(7,852 posts)
25. The Senate passed resolution declares October 14, 2025 A Day of Remembrance
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 11:32 AM
Sep 22

for Charlie Kirk. The resolution is NOT legally binding and effectively only applies to the Senate itself. So nobody but the senate is required to recognized October 14 ad a Day of Remembrance for Charlie Kirk

And if you don't mind, a pet peeve of mind - there is no and was no such thing as "Charlie Kirk Day".

Fiendish Thingy

(21,281 posts)
11. Yeah, but some clickbait video said "UNANIMOUSLY" in all caps
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:07 AM
Sep 22

So who am I supposed to believe, the video, or the facts?

: sarcasm:

Wiz Imp

(7,852 posts)
27. Don't blame this on videos. In fact I don't recall seeing videos declaring this at all.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 11:35 AM
Sep 22

This was 100% on the mainstream PRINT media, where every single one of them dutifully wrote what the Republicans told them to write - that it passed the Senate Unanimously instead of clarifying that it passed by "unanimous consent" and explaining what that means.

tritsofme

(19,630 posts)
19. I think it's worth pointing out the difference between passing unanimously and unanimous consent, but the rest of this
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:43 AM
Sep 22

hubbub seems rather silly.

That process was routine for the passage of a non-binding and non-controversial resolution, I don’t see any sort of interesting sub-plot.

lapucelle

(20,767 posts)
20. This was a controversial resolution, and there are folks having a field day with anti-Democratic Party messaging
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:47 AM
Sep 22

based on misinformation which is rapidly shifting into disinformation.

tritsofme

(19,630 posts)
21. This might be the only place it is controversial.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:54 AM
Sep 22

The folks that automatically embrace anti-Democratic Party misinformation provide a distorted view of reality.

For everyone else, including apparently senators, this resolution was meaningless and about as controversial as congratulating the Little League World Series champions.

lapucelle

(20,767 posts)
24. That's a fair point, but facts are the best ammunition in pushing back
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 11:28 AM
Sep 22

against anti-Democratic Party talking points.

I expect that the controversy will be revived on October 14. It's important that we all stop the with the actual facts.



Prairie_Seagull

(4,516 posts)
26. I believe the Democrats in the Senate
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 11:34 AM
Sep 22

Could not vote down the charlie kirk issue due to the term in the 'bill" about political violence so they decided not to show. Can you imagine if they voted it down, what the right would say.

Makes sense to me.

lapucelle

(20,767 posts)
29. That was the House resolution. It was different from the Senate resolution.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 11:44 AM
Sep 22

You can compare the two here.

H.Res.719 - Honoring the life and legacy of Charles "Charlie" James Kirk.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/719/text

S.Res.403 - A resolution expressing support for the designation of October 14, 2025, as the "National Day of Remembrance for Charlie Kirk"

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-resolution/403/text

Wiz Imp

(7,852 posts)
31. Not exactly correct.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 11:54 AM
Sep 22

There were actually 2 separate resolutions (not bills) pass by the Senate relating to Charlie Kirk. The first passed early last week denounced political violence and stated a couple (mostly) non-conroversial things about Kirk = that he was a devoted father, that he founded Turning Point USA and that he engaged in open debates with students on college campuses. It resolved to condemn the assassination and express condolences and sympathies to his family.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-resolution/391/text

RESOLUTION
Condemning the assassination of Charlie Kirk and honoring his life and legacy.

Whereas Charlie Kirk was horrifically assassinated on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University while speaking to a large group of college students;

Whereas Charlie Kirk was a devoted husband, father, and Christian;

Whereas, in 2012, Charlie Kirk founded Turning Point USA, a conservative campus advocacy group that quickly became one of the fastest growing college campus chapter organizations in the country; and

Whereas Charlie Kirk frequently engaged college students of all political backgrounds in open debates and discussion, encouraging civil discourse on college campuses and among college students: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the Senate—

(1) condemns the assassination of Charlie Kirk in the strongest possible terms;

(2) extends its deepest condolences and sympathies to Charlie Kirk’s family, including his wife, Erika, and their two young children; and

(3) honors Charlie Kirk’s commitment to the constitutional principles of civil discussion and debate between all people of the United States, regardless of political affiliation.

This also passed the Senate by unanimous consent though I'm not sure exactly when or who was in the Senate at the time. Democrats really shouldn't have had a major issue with this one.

Then on Thursday at 1:15, Rick Scott introduced the resolution to declare October 14, 2025 "A Day of remembrance for Charlie Kirk". This was the one that caused controversy in part because the media conflated it with the resolution the House voted on on Friday. Rick Scott's resolution is here:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-resolution/403/text#:~:text=S.-,Res.,of%20Remembrance%20for%20Charlie%20Kirk%22.
RESOLUTION
Expressing support for the designation of October 14, 2025, as the “National Day of Remembrance for Charlie Kirk”.

Whereas Charlie Kirk was a champion of free speech, civil dialogue, and faith;

Whereas Mr. Kirk consistently promoted the values of individual liberty, open debate, the importance of civic engagement, and the defense of constitutional principles;

Whereas Charlie Kirk was recognized as one of the leading voices among young leaders in the United States, creating opportunities for civic education, fostering youth leadership, and promoting principles of liberty and democracy across the United States;

Whereas Charlie Kirk was the founder and executive director of Turning Point USA, a nonprofit organization of thousands of chapters across the United States dedicated to educating students about the principles of freedom, free markets, and limited government;

Whereas Charlie Kirk authored multiple national best-selling books, that engage readers in critical conversations about civics, culture, and the future of the United States;

Whereas, through Mr. Kirk's writing, public speaking, and media presence, Charlie Kirk reached millions of United States citizens, inspiring the next generation to become active participants in civic life;

Whereas Mr. Kirk's life’s work has contributed to strengthening public discourse, defending constitutional principles, and fostering active citizenship; and

Whereas Mr. Kirk's life work, especially his efforts to bring these American ideals to life on college campuses in the United States, cost him his life by means of an assassin's bullet on September 10, 2025: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the Senate—

(1) supports the designation of October 14, 2025, as the “National Day of Remembrance for Charlie Kirk”;

(2) recognizes Charlie Kirk for his contributions to civic education and public service; and

(3) encourages educational institutions, civic organizations, and citizens across the United States to observe this day with appropriate programs, activities, prayers, and ceremonies that promote civic engagement and the principles of faith, liberty, and democracy that Charlie Kirk championed.

The House resolution did not include the day of remembrance but did include objectionable praise for Kirk. That is why 118 Democrats voted against this:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/719/text
In the House of Representatives, U. S.,
September 19, 2025.

Whereas Charles “Charlie” James Kirk, born October 14, 1993, was a courageous American patriot, whose life was tragically and unjustly cut short in an act of political violence on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University;

Whereas Charlie Kirk was a devoted Christian, who boldly lived out his faith with conviction, courage, and compassion;

Whereas Charlie Kirk was a dedicated husband to his beloved wife, Erika Kirk, and a loving father to their daughter and son, exemplifying the virtues of faith, fidelity, and fatherhood;

Whereas Charlie Kirk was a fierce defender of the American founding and its timeless principles of life, liberty, limited government, and individual responsibility;

Whereas Charlie Kirk, at 18 years old, founded Turning Point USA in 2012, a student movement with the mission to “identify, educate, train, and organize students to promote the principles of fiscal responsibility, free markets, and limited government”;

Whereas Charlie Kirk became one of the most prominent voices in America, engaging in respectful, civil discourse across college campuses, media platforms, and national forums, always seeking to elevate truth, foster understanding, and strengthen the Republic;

Whereas Charlie Kirk personified the values of the First Amendment, exercising his God-given right to speak freely, challenge prevailing narratives, and did so with honor, courage, and respect for his fellow Americans;

Whereas Charlie Kirk’s commitment to civil discussion and debate stood as a model for young Americans across the political spectrum, and he worked tirelessly to promote unity without compromising on conviction;

Whereas the assassination of Charlie Kirk was not only a heinous act of violence, but a sobering reminder of the growing threat posed by political extremism and hatred in our society;

Whereas such acts of politically motivated violence are antithetical to the principles of a free republic, in which differences of opinion are to be debated—not silenced—with civility, reason, and mutual respect;

Whereas the rise in targeted violence against individuals for their political beliefs undermines the very fabric of our constitutional democracy and chills the free exchange of ideas essential to a healthy civic society;

Whereas leaders at every level—government, education, media, and beyond—must stand united in unequivocal condemnation of political violence, regardless of their ideology;

Whereas the tragic loss of Charlie Kirk must not be allowed to deepen the divides in our Nation, but instead serve as a turning point to recommit ourselves to better angels, and to the timeless American principles of liberty governed by truth and the virtues of peaceful dialogue; and

Whereas Charlie Kirk would not have us respond to his death with despair, but rather with renewed purpose—to speak truth with courage, to stand firm in faith, to seek unity while standing firm in principle, and to serve as living reminders of the values he championed: faith, family, and freedom: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the House of Representatives—

(1) condemns in the strongest possible terms the assassination of Charles “Charlie” James Kirk, and all forms of political violence;

(2) commends and honors the dedicated law enforcement and emergency personnel for their tireless efforts in finding the suspect responsible for the assassination of Charlie Kirk and urges the administration of swift justice to the suspect;

(3) extends its deepest condolences and sympathies to Charlie Kirk’s family, including his wife, Erika, and their two young children, and prays for comfort, peace, and healing in this time of unspeakable loss;

(4) honors the life, leadership, and legacy of Charlie Kirk, whose steadfast dedication to the Constitution, civil discourse, and Biblical truth inspired a generation to cherish and defend the blessings of liberty; and

(5) calls upon all Americans—regardless of race, party affiliation, or creed—to reject political violence, recommit to respectful debate, uphold American values, and respect one another as fellow Americans.

Wiz Imp

(7,852 posts)
33. At the 46 second mark of this video is the Senate when Tuberville calls for
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 11:58 AM
Sep 22

all those that are in favor to say "Aye". You can only really hear one voice - presumably Scott's. It's obvious from the video that the Senate Chamber is virtually empty.



lapucelle

(20,767 posts)
35. It sounds like one freaking voice --- Rick Scott's.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 12:39 PM
Sep 22

And of course the New York Post notes that the Senate "unanimously consented" (rather than proceeded through unanimous consent), morphs it into a "unanimous decision", and then further muddies the waters by conflating the House resolution with the one in the Senate, making it sound like Jamie Raskin voted for Charlie Kirk Day, even though there was nothing in the House resolution about a special day for the vile racist.

1:00-1:09 in the video

"the surprising *unanimous decision* came despite hesitation and debate among Democrats as to whether or not to support the resolution. And as US Representative Jamie Raskin pleaded with his fellow Party members not to fall into what he called 'an obvious political trap...'


mcar

(45,429 posts)
36. I so appreciate your efforts to set the record straight
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 01:31 PM
Sep 22

I fear it will fall on deaf ears, but I still appreciate it.

lapucelle

(20,767 posts)
37. Thanks. I think Wiz Imp came up with the best receipt of all...
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 07:33 PM
Sep 22

... audio/video of the actual vote.

Cha

(315,396 posts)
43. lol.. ".. the best receipt of all.. "
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 09:22 PM
Sep 22

I, too, appreciate your knowledge and persistence in providing the Complicated Facts of what went down in the Senate with the CK resolution.

We can't Trust the Fascist enabling media to do anything but make Dems look bad and Pump Up the Fools Gold Dictator.

Everyone who cares about our Democracy and our Future needs to learn that.

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