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Javaman

(64,638 posts)
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 07:40 AM Sep 30

just throwing this out there, but the timing of this pentagon meeting and the government shut down.

kinda chills me to the bone.

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just throwing this out there, but the timing of this pentagon meeting and the government shut down. (Original Post) Javaman Sep 30 OP
Please, please bucolic_frolic Sep 30 #1
I have the same feeling MaeScott Sep 30 #2
Yup, maximize the pressure of group think and conformity bucolic_frolic Sep 30 #5
It is a concern Mossfern Sep 30 #3
i think they are too stupid to coordinate this.. samnsara Sep 30 #4
At this point Mossfern Sep 30 #6
Yup, I shuddered when I heard people say gab13by13 Sep 30 #8
California will not be bowed BWdem4life Sep 30 #35
I agree. Katinfl Sep 30 #15
I don't think they need to be smart, just pathologically malicious. 58Sunliner Sep 30 #20
Malicious, yes Mossfern Sep 30 #34
Yes. It always amazes me how pathological people have an innate cunning to victimize others. 58Sunliner Sep 30 #36
The people we see out front are stupid but... S/V Loner Sep 30 #7
Russsell Vought gab13by13 Sep 30 #10
Good thing he can't directly influence government behavior. rubbersole Sep 30 #17
Bingo! That's the scary part FakeNoose Sep 30 #24
Really? NJCher Sep 30 #27
Double edged sword HAB911 Sep 30 #9
At this point I would prefer a military coup over dictatorship EYESORE 9001 Sep 30 #12
Never happen. gab13by13 Sep 30 #13
never say never, lol HAB911 Sep 30 #14
Whiskey Pete wants to emphasize loyalty to Krasnov over the Constitution. gab13by13 Sep 30 #11
Sign a new oath or resign. My guess. multigraincracker Sep 30 #26
That's my guess. It's why stinky is showing up also. Ray Bruns Sep 30 #30
He's the Secretary Of The Liquor Cabinet CentralMass Sep 30 #29
It's a tremendous security risk IronLionZion Sep 30 #16
I fantasize about ALL the Republicans being in one place and have a... 3catwoman3 Sep 30 #32
Military leaders are becoming "tired of his act." sop Sep 30 #18
Depending on their BMI TommyT139 Sep 30 #21
This explains a lot NJCher Sep 30 #28
Too late to be worried now. OldBaldy1701E Sep 30 #19
Since pedo Trump is such a skin flint Farmer-Rick Sep 30 #22
Considering that projection is their main thing, I think they are planning a war on Christmas. chowder66 Sep 30 #23
It appears that this is all about being too woke. Nothing more. spanone Sep 30 #25
Putin's payoff - destroy the US government, degrade the effectiveness of the US military. n/t TygrBright Sep 30 #31
Nah. The meeting is a just a big embarrassing joke like this whole racist maladministration LymphocyteLover Sep 30 #33

MaeScott

(938 posts)
2. I have the same feeling
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 07:44 AM
Sep 30

..put nothing past this administration, they have no bottom
I think it’s their loyalty oath signing time, and not to the constitution

bucolic_frolic

(52,771 posts)
5. Yup, maximize the pressure of group think and conformity
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 07:48 AM
Sep 30

Individually, many would oppose. Together none dare speak up.

Mossfern

(4,437 posts)
6. At this point
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 07:53 AM
Sep 30

I'm past thinking that they're too stupid.
I think that will be our downfall - underestimating them and overestimating the intelligence of the typical American voter.

gab13by13

(30,067 posts)
8. Yup, I shuddered when I heard people say
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 08:03 AM
Sep 30

that everything will be OK, we are in the early stages of a dictatorship, right fucking now. We need to fight back right fucking now.
California should have gone for more than 5 House seats because it looks like not many other states are following suit.

BWdem4life

(2,779 posts)
35. California will not be bowed
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 12:06 PM
Sep 30

They know their power. They will secede before allowing the Federal Government to include them in its fascist takeover of the country. And Oregon and Washington will join them when they do.

Katinfl

(533 posts)
15. I agree.
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 08:23 AM
Sep 30

The typical American voter is why we are where we are. OTOH, the typical American voter is the only way we can get out of this mess. It’s clear that the republicans in Congress won’t stand up, so it’s up to us to do it at the ballot box. The problem is getting people to wake up and realize we hold the power.

58Sunliner

(6,145 posts)
36. Yes. It always amazes me how pathological people have an innate cunning to victimize others.
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 12:44 PM
Sep 30

It shouldn't by now, after growing up with all of these serial murderers. People underestimate them because they can't imagine the evil will to destroy.

S/V Loner

(9,437 posts)
7. The people we see out front are stupid but...
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 08:03 AM
Sep 30

The ones behind the scenes Heritage, Federalist, Thiel, Ellison are not stupid and they are the ones running the show.

NJCher

(41,718 posts)
27. Really?
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 10:18 AM
Sep 30

Then how come everything they do backfires?

If you’re smart it doesn’t happen in the first place.

EYESORE 9001

(29,145 posts)
12. At this point I would prefer a military coup over dictatorship
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 08:08 AM
Sep 30

Perhaps I’m being naive in this rash decision.

gab13by13

(30,067 posts)
11. Whiskey Pete wants to emphasize loyalty to Krasnov over the Constitution.
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 08:07 AM
Sep 30

He wants the top brass to understand that anyone who does not follow an order will be removed, without pension.

IronLionZion

(50,082 posts)
16. It's a tremendous security risk
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 08:43 AM
Sep 30

taking those leaders away from their posts around the world and putting them in one place.

Maybe some sort of loyalty oath or your fired situation. So if anyone feels uncomfortable with illegal orders, they may have to retire early. Or they'll fire anyone who looks too DEI and put in unqualified loyal MAGAts.

3catwoman3

(27,921 posts)
32. I fantasize about ALL the Republicans being in one place and have a...
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 10:30 AM
Sep 30

...designated survivor scenario with no one in the current line of succession hidden away in a safe room. A "no designated survivor" scenario actually.

sop

(16,429 posts)
18. Military leaders are becoming "tired of his act."
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 08:56 AM
Sep 30

'Hegseth hit with 'rare intervention' as Pentagon generals grow tired of his act: NYT'

"Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is facing growing opposition from Pentagon generals, including from the current chairman of the Joint Chiefs, as questions about his leadership grow...The report notes that the latest clash with the generals is part of a growing problem as questions grow about the embattled secretary's performance."

" 'Mr. Hegseth’s actions could shape the military’s top ranks for years to come. His insistence on absolute loyalty, backed with repeated threats of polygraphs, also creates uncertainty and mistrust that threaten to undermine the readiness and effectiveness of the force,' Pentagon insiders told the Times."

"With the report noting that firings and resignations have left Hegseth with a 'skeleton staff of civilian aides to run his office,' the report adds, 'The infighting, investigations and personnel churn have strained Mr. Hegseth’s ability to manage critical operations in the Pentagon.' "

"The Times is reporting that Pentagon officials have grown weary of Hegseth's continual photo-ops, noting, 'including one that he posted from Omaha Beach in Normandy in which he joins Army Rangers carrying a soldier on a stretcher as part of D-Day remembrances — are distractions that serve primarily to bolster his image.' "

https://www.rawstory.com/hegseth-pentagon-revolt/

Link to NYT article (behind paywall):

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/us/politics/hegseth-pentagon-leadership.html

OldBaldy1701E

(9,308 posts)
19. Too late to be worried now.
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 08:57 AM
Sep 30

We had the chance to stop this when things became crazy, but we decided that those who were corrupting and destroying the means to remove them should be removed by the means they were corrupting and destroying.

Makes sense.

Farmer-Rick

(12,110 posts)
22. Since pedo Trump is such a skin flint
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 09:32 AM
Sep 30

I think it's to tell the military they will have to work for free during the budget shutdown. They did a grand meeting when I was in the Navy over when/how/if we were going to get paid during the budget shutdown.

The Admirals all told us we had to work even if we didn't get paid. I think many a sailor had other ideas. But the shut down was short lived and we got paid.

chowder66

(11,426 posts)
23. Considering that projection is their main thing, I think they are planning a war on Christmas.
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 09:55 AM
Sep 30

TygrBright

(21,226 posts)
31. Putin's payoff - destroy the US government, degrade the effectiveness of the US military. n/t
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 10:21 AM
Sep 30
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