BOMBSHELL CLAIM: TRUMP DID NOT WIN 2024, ELECTION MANIPULATED

[CNYHarris]

Surprised there is not a thread on this.

[CNYHarris]

1. Auditing could be too late

https://ibb.co/70GYPxv

[John Coktosten]

2. WOW

Obviously I've seen this claim tons of times, but Pakman taking it up for discussion?

Wow

[CNYHarris]

3. Trump wants to ban mail in ballots

Because they are not the secret ballots that can be easily changed. If the mail in ballots are changed, you can call voters to see true voter intent. 2020 was won with mail in ballots. 2024 was stolen with changed secret ballots.

[Ms. Toad]

75. No, you can't call the voter to see true voter intent.

(1) the ballot is returned in a double envelope. The outer envelope allows for verification of voter ID. Once the outer envelope is separated from the inner envelope, it cannot be connected back to the person who cast the ballot.

(2) even if it was somehow possible to connect ballot to voter, asking a voter post-election who they voted for is subject to outcome bias (i.e. people like to be perceived as voting for the winner - so they are less likely to disclose their actual vote.

[tritsofme]

4. There have been plenty of posts about these election denial conspiracy theories.

No more valid than when the Trumpers were spreading the same nonsense four years ago.

[BurnDoubt]

5. I won't ever believe he was elected.

He has bullied and cheated every day.
Why would any day be different?
The bullying and cheating goes on... and on... and on...........

[BonnieJW]

36. I've never believed it either

ALL the swing states voted for pres putz?

[robbob]

81. And (correct me if I'm wrong here);

Won all (or many) of these states with just enough of a margin to barely avoid a recount. What are the odds?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

94. The closest swing state was Wisconsin...

…and the margin was more than three times the threshold for a taxpayer funded recount.

[robbob]

143. Ok, I guess it was just another internet rumour.

Should know by now not to believe everything I read…🙄

[RandySF]

6. No

[31st Street Bridge]

7. It was rigged from the start

... and I truly wonder if we could ever trust an election again in this country.

[yellow dahlia]

82. I believe we have to focus on your concern.

In order to save our Democracy we need to figure out how to promote and protect free and fair and elections.

I think the Dem leadership is not helping the situation by holding onto the message: "we are not election deniers". There is a difference between making false accusations and pursuing true irregularities.

I believe the consultant class and strategists may have dissuaded leadership and/or Harris from requesting paper ballot hand recounts.

We (meaning) everyone including Dem leadership) need to keep our eyes and voices on the topic.

Not enough Dems juxtapose the saving of Democracy and the need to for free and fair elections. Chris Murphy regularly gives voice to these concerns. (However, I have never heard him question the 2024 results.)

[LiberalArkie]

91. Most definately. Very evident when you have precincts that voted all democrat with Trump for president.

[OLDMDDEM]

8. I have thought this since the election took place. Trump was thanking Musk for the use of his computers.

It made no sense until the results came out to where Trump won Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.

[creeksneakers2]

9. I watched about half of this

I'm not buying it. Results change from election to election and an unusual result is not evidence of fraud. He says some precincts with higher turnout went more for Trump but that's probably because Trump voters turned out at a higher rate.

It would be almost impossible to fix an election. He has no explanation for how it could have been done.

I really dislike the hoaxes because I take pride in the fact that my side doesn't have many conspiracy theories while the other side has them all the time. The next time we complain about the right wing making false claims of vote fraud I don't want to see them saying "your guys do it too."

[NJCher]

11. if only

you could get by on watching half a video. I've spent hours and hours reading about this, interpreting graphs, checking sources. You have to dedicate a whole lot more time than this to understand the situation.

[creeksneakers2]

18. OK, I'll watch the rest

But I figure by the first half he would have shared his evidence if he had any. Nevertheless, I'll watch the rest.

[creeksneakers2]

38. I watched the rest

It was a waste of time. Did you notice how often he uses words like "could" "if" "seems" etc? He says it every time. He says if someone could have stuff ballot boxes or switched votes but has no explanation how and offers nothing at all that is evidence that someone did. He talks about what happened at Volkswagen but when voting machines are programmed there are lots of people watching. He talks about someone hacking a central tabulator but here in PA, which is one of the two states he cites, newspapers publish precinct by precinct results and people who were there watch. If votes were switched at a central location there would be plenty who would spot it. The fact that results were similar all over is strong evidence that there was no fraud, as it would have had to have been done in NUMEROUS places. He says some counties in PA got 92% turnout. I'd like to know which ones.

Since you've spent all this time I'd love to see any real evidence you have. There is none here.

[questionseverything]

60. Voting machines are not programmed with lots of people around

[creeksneakers2]

160. Yes, they are.

[questionseverything]

162. Refer to post # 71 pls

[creeksneakers2]

164. What do you want me to see there?

[Maru Kitteh]

122. I gave up on this kind of fact-free clickbait long ago. Good on you

for putting in the time, but you were correct in your first sentence. It IS a waste of time. It also preys upon peoples' desperate hopes, and I find that unforgivable.

[lildDemz]

39. That's the problem for more exposure

The clues aren't simple. Hope for a whistle-blower.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

14. Yeah, it's funny how the conspiracy theorists who make these videos...

...are never able to actually back up what they claim.

[Escurumbele]

19. I understood that what they do, which I have to assume they do before they open the doors for the public, is

to load votes in favour of their candidate, and then when it gets to some level, they throw away the rest of the votes, and this can be easily done via software.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

21. For that to work...

...election workers of both parties down to the precinct level would have to be complicit.

Do you really believe that Democratic election workers are going to help Republicans win by loading votes like that?

[Doremus]

58. Follow the tabulators

The central tabulators aren't in the precincts.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

63. In Virginia...

…the tabulators are in the precincts, and I’m guessing it’s that way in lots of places. The only tabulators outside of the precincts in Virginia are the ones that count the mail-in and drop off ballots, and the same security processes are followed for those, and attested to by elections officers of both parties. Partisan election observers from both parties are also present at the central offices and most precincts.

[questionseverything]

67. Do you understand, you can't see software?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

69. Having been a computer programmer ...

…for nearly 40 years, yes, I understand that.

The point I was addressing was about the ability to pre-load votes onto tabulators, and that can’t happen unless elections officers and observers of both parties at the precinct level are complicit.

[questionseverything]

71. Not if a predetermined result was programmed in at the factory

Each machine has a user level

A programming level

And a master level

Are you saying you think every election clerk across the country gets master level access? Cause that’s not true

[SickOfTheOnePct]

77. I'm saying ...

…that it appears that you have no idea the way cross-checks of tabulator numbers, number of ballots used, and number of voters occur all day long at the precinct level, or how they are reconciled after the polls close. If you did, you would see why it’s impossible to pre-load votes onto tabulators.

[Botany]

120. Musk knew that the Central Tabulators and Operating Systems of E.S.&E and Dominion Voting Systems had

…. firmware patches put on them that allowed him or his people to look @ and or manipulate
the data and Peter Thiel was running a clean up program that hid the evidence of foul play.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

121. No state uses a single set of "central tabulators" to count all of the state's vote...

...the highest usage of central tabulators is in individual counties are used to count mail-in or drop-off ballots. In-person ballots are tabulated at the individual precinct.

So is it your contention that all of the precinct tabulators were programmed to shift votes from Harris to Trump?

[Botany]

124. The flipping of votes from Harris to Trump and or the deletions of Harris votes were not pre programed into

the tabulators and operating systems but were activated by an external signals to the firmware
patches that Eaton installed after they had bought Tripp Lite. @ least that is my best guess.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

129. But for all of the tabulators...

…including at precinct level? Because I’m not aware of of any tabulators that are internet connected to where they could receive any kind of signals. I know for certain they aren’t in Virginia.

[Botany]

133. Musk by passed the internet with his use of Starlink and DTC .... direct to cell .... in getting data from and or ...

…manipulation of that data that was in the tabulators or the operating systems and the way it was
structured it left no terrestrial fingerprints. From Musk’s low earth orbit satellites (Star link) to cell
phones (which) and then to the tabulators. Musk is already on record as saying that he had an app
that let him see the vote 4 hours early.

https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/she-won-they-didnt-just-change-the

See if this makes sense to you?


It sure looks like the architecture was in place to allow that to happen.
Btw three things that makes the election not pass my smell test is that every glitch, crazy
stat, and what have you helped the republicans and has so for years, and 70% + of Americans
supported a woman’s right to choose about her body and health care but that vote disappeared
in the November 24 elections even though post the overturning of Roe v Wade every election
showed strong support for women’s rights but somehow that vote disappeared, and just Trump’s
actions during the campaign showed to me at least he knew “the fix was in.”

[Ms. Toad]

135. There's no cell phone connection either. n/t

[Chemical Bill]

132. Your post brought up some issues I remember from...

2000 and 2004. Do you remember how far off the exit polls were, especially in 2004? The exits were so far off that they started "correcting" the exits to more match the official vote counts. I remember research posted here on DU showing that some voting machine results matched the exits, while ES&S machines were responsible for the lack of precision.

[Kaleva]

30. I'm an election worker and that can't be done

As already mentioned, there are Democrats at the polling place and they’d have to in on the fix.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

35. Same n/t

[Ms. Toad]

148. Observer for more than a decade - same.

I also have significant knowledge about voting machines both within and across brands.

[creeksneakers2]

41. It would not be that easy.

The machines are locked away and there are tests.

[AverageOldGuy]

84. Thank you for adding some reason and reality to this discussion

[returnee]

85. How it was done is not the first question.

Was it done is the first question. The statistician’s job is to examine the numbers, the probability of it being rigged. He’s got some evidence. Right now he’s saying the anomalies he has found show in some cases the degree of anomaly could have had an effect on the election. He’s being conservative in his pronouncements.

[creeksneakers2]

163. If there is no explanation for how it could be done

That answers the was it done question. Because if it can't be done it wasn't done.

[NJCher]

10. when all is said and done

we are going to find out they've been stealing elections for quite some time.

[Botany]

22. The last legitimate win for a republican for POTUS was in 1956 and in every case starting with Nixon in '68

they have either cheated or were the legacy of prior cheating.

The architecture for the cheating was in put into place. End of story.
Trump knew the fix was in and you could tell that by his actions and speech.

https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/she-won-they-didnt-just-change-the

Plus according to Greg Palast another 4 million were removed by Republicans called
True the Vote and another 2 million were removed via the USPS and signatures not matching.

[Ritabert]

40. Bush v. Gore being a classic example

[yellow dahlia]

88. What Botany said!

[yellow dahlia]

87. 2024, 2016, 2004, 2000

And then there's the stealing like Nixon pulled by negotiating world events that could affect the election.

[Silent Type]

12. Election deniers get old.

[NJCher]

25. I guess we love our country more than

boring you. So sorry. Not.

[tritsofme]

26. Nah, it's just kind of a sad spectacle at this point. Just like 9/11 truthers, moon landing deniers,

flat earthers, etc.

Democrats and the Democratic Party embrace reality.

[NJCher]

29. you always have the same comment

never changes.

[tritsofme]

32. Yes, I happen to exist in the reality based community.

[NJCher]

145. common answer, again

please. Can't you be a little more original?

Also, your response means nothing because of the semantic ambiguity of "reality."

[EdmondDantes_]

95. Until the facts change, the comment doesn't need to change

There's no evidence. Split ticket voting isn't evidence.

[NJCher]

146. again

"reality" is problematic. I explained why in another post. Please, bring yourself down to earth. Your comments mean nothing.

[Silent Type]

46. LOL.

[returnee]

89. Everybody gets old if they're lucky.

What really gets old is rampant corruption in the US.

[EdmondDantes_]

13. The Election Truth Alliance is garbage

There's nothing to what they are trying to sell. We regularly get the same headline from whatever YouTube channel they are on. It's a lot of we think this is unusual, starting with split ticket ballots and differences between mail in and on election day voting patterns that we know are things that happen.

[tritsofme]

16. Grifting grifters are going to grift gullible rubes, that is a given.

[NJCher]

28. explain it, then

Explain that pattern.

[EdmondDantes_]

100. I'm not the one making the unsupported conspiracy theory

But sure even though you didn't ask the conspiracy theorists to explain why they discard the obvious. Some people will have been unhappy with President Biden whether due to the economy, or covid restrictions, or immigration, or crime, or they were upset by his age, or Gaza, etc. Or Harris being perceived as too invested in trans rights. And then there's misogyny/racism.

But then that same person looks at say the governor's race in North Carolina and the major party candidates are a self proclaimed black nazi and the governor. Hardly unimaginable that people couldn't get onboard with the guy who called himself a nazi. And before you say Trump is a nazi, he didn't use the word, and people are really good at compartmentalizing.

Now it's your turn. Explain that the election very much matched pre election polls, how democratic officials all over the country were either complict or too stupid to see anything wrong, and why the Harris campaign hasn't said anything.

[NJCher]

144. strictly your opinion

unsupported conspiracy theory

You can't explain it, that's why yu had to write 3 paragraphs of material that has nothing to do with anything.

Pitiful.

[Mr.Bee]

15. You Already Know What i'm Going To Say

So, nuff said...

[Escurumbele]

17. Well, Democrats better do something about it because it will only get worst for the 2026 and 2028 elections.

[EdmondDantes_]

20. Supposing for a moment their claims are true

Why do we keep winning special elections? Why did they not rig a 60 Republican Senate so they could pass whatever? Why did we win so many down ballot races in 2024? Did the criminal masterminds not think of fixing those elections too?

[AZJonnie]

33. Because

a) It's risky to KEEP doing it, or do it TOO obviously.
b) the prize was Trump & GOP majorities in both Houses, and they got that. I think they also basically flipped every Senate seat that was legitimately considered "up for grabs".

To be clear I'm not asserting it WAS stolen, I'm only answering your questions as if it WERE the case. Which I doubt, but I'm open to the idea, esp. if the theory plausibly involves only a handful of actors.

[EdmondDantes_]

103. Given it would require actors all over the country, including Democrats, nope.

Elections are run locally, not nationally.

[AZJonnie]

107. Did you watch the show?

The main assertion is that the tabulation machines in the vast majority of the US are only built by 2 manufacturers

[live love laugh]

23. We already know.

[BlueTsunami2018]

24. Doesn't really matter at this point does it?

They’re in there, the election was conceded and certified.

For the millionth time, these people are fucking fascists!! They aren’t going to leave, ever. We have to force them out physically. Unless and until the entire working class or at least the majority, including the dipshits who voted for these assholes, decides that enough is enough and shuts down the country, we’re stuck with them.

Say they did cheat and it can be proven. Who is going to do anything about it? Certainly not Congress which is run by fascists. Certainly not the courts, which are run by fascists. The media is run by……you guessed it..fascists and they’ll lie and distort the facts to prevent the necessary uprising as they’ve been doing for years.

What are we going to do? Theyre already doing test runs, getting people used to the idea of a police state, getting people used to the idea of their fellow citizens being dragged from their homes. We’re there. It’s happened.

What are we going to do? Fight or submit?

[AZJonnie]

27. Interesting stuff, I will look forward to the follow-up interview

So, am I interpreting this correctly: is the guest saying was that wherever the turnout % was high, that above a certain threshold, all votes began to be calculated as "Trump votes", and that was the means by which it was stolen? Almost all the votes were tabulated on machines from two companies, and may both have had corrupted tabulator code, basically? This seems like it would relatively easy to check by looking at the timestamps of when votes were counted, and what they showed. The turnout % could not be known positively in advance, so the machines would have to be acting this way 'on the fly' when the threshold was actually hit by actual vote counts. So you'd see that like, after 9:21 pm, the vote % for Trump suddenly diverged in a statistically improbable way.

Or am I missing something?

[Abnredleg]

42. You're missing the bit about the swing states using paper ballots

That are randomly checked during units. Yes, the ballots are run through tabulators, but any corruption of the code would be revealed when results are compared to the ballots during the audits.

It is estimated 98% of the votes cast in 2024 were on paper ballots.


https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/some-good-news-donald-trump-we-already-use-paper-ballots

[AZJonnie]

98. I hope it did not sound like I was conveying that I thought the CT presented by the guest was LIKELY

because I don't think it is.

I'm just trying to understand what it entails. Then I was proposing means by which, if my understanding was correct, that its viability could be further tested.

And yes, the method you stated is another means by which it could be tested. However that one is SO obvious that if, in fact, this point: &quot vote switching) would be revealed when results are compared to the ballots during the audit" was indeed something that was happening automatically, I really can't believe the guest is presenting his "argument" with a straight face.

Ergo, it makes me wonder if my interpretation of his "argument" is erroneous?

[Festivito]

155. And how many check vote ballots do they run in their test. Less than 500?

The first 250 to 500 can be skipped by a nefarious piece of code. And that check you posted would not show an existing problem.

[questionseverything]

49. It's not that past a certain threshold all votes were recorded for *rump

But that’s very close, after a certain point (looking at their graphs) 📈 and graphs 📉, or repub votes dramatically increase and democratic votes decrease

It happens often enough it should be a huge red flag 🚩

Here is the thing, all we need to do is hand count the votes in public openly and transparently and then we would know, assuming the chain of custody hasn’t been compromised

[Festivito]

31. Depends on recounting paper ballots. We're not allowed to recount paper ballots.

The rest would go over the heads of 99.9% of jurors.

[Abnredleg]

43. Paper ballots are counted during risk limiting audits /nt

[questionseverything]

50. No they aren't, a small sample are counted not even an entire precinct

[Abnredleg]

52. Yes, it is understood that audits work off samples

But the samples for risk limiting are randomly selected and are of sufficient size to ensure the results are accurate. There is a lot of science behind this type of audit, which is why its use is spreading.

[questionseverything]

56. Counting paper ballots openly and transparently would work too

[Abnredleg]

61. The audits are done in front of observers

Counting all paper ballots by hand only works in very small jurisdictions- elsewhere it’s very slow and unreliable.

[questionseverything]

66. No one is suggesting counting the entire county at once

The hand counting would be precinct by precinct, my precinct has between 800-1200 voters turn out so handcounting the top two federal races could be done in a few hours by some honor roll 4th graders

Because ballots have so many questions, candidates and stuff the scanner could count it all and just hand count the top two federal races (assuming those numbers matched)

[Abnredleg]

72. I've yet to find an election official of either party

That doesn’t think that complete hand counts are a waste of time. Risk limiting audits allow for sufficient hand counts to confirm posted outcomes. Throw in all the other types of audits and security procedures and wide spread national fraud becomes next to impossible. Our system of elections is so decentralized, and has so many people involved, that only by magical handwashing all the problems away can such a scheme be pulled off.

[questionseverything]

79. Democracy demands transparency for the average citizen so

We don’t have to trust paid officials to “post outcomes “

Hand counted paper ballots counted openly and transparently in full public view are the only way for the average citizen to oversee their own elections, anything else is Stalin’s preference


After all it doesn’t matter who votes, only who counts the vote

[Abnredleg]

90. All parties have observers watching every step of the process

The whole point of our system is precisely that no-one trusts anyone. That’s why every step is observed by trained volunteers who actually understand what is going on in front of them. And what does “in full public view” even mean? How can anyone watching from home even understand what is going on, let alone catch fraud? Its a meaningless term with regards to elections with huge numbers of ballots.

[questionseverything]

97. Full public view means, where the public can see

I was actually referring to citizens watching other citizens counting ballots but in this day and age it would be fairly easy to put up cameras that could show the ballots and the counting and be live streamed

[Abnredleg]

99. There is a reason no election officials support hand counts

And that is it causes far more problems than it solves. It involves lots of people, which means you are just introducing more opportunities for error. Remember the Cyber Ninja “audit” in Arizona? They attempted a complete hand counts- it took weeks and they couldn’t get the numbers to reconcile because there were too many errors.

Anyway, this horse is dead so time to move on.

[questionseverything]

106. *rump's people were trying to cause crap, I simply want transparency

I do remember when Georgia was hand counted and thousands of unreported ballots were found… it didn’t change the outcome, thank goodness but the original published numbers were not correct

[Festivito]

154. Abnredleg, you make some misleading/false statements.

"All parties have observers watching every step of the process"
Yes, all parties are allowed to observe. BUT,
No, not every step. Only the steps they can observe. They cannot observe the summation done inside the computer.
Here the problem can be in the computer's summation process where after 500 votes, 1% or 2% can get changed unseen by human eyes. This is a simple solution. The kind of solution that Trump alluded to. Either Russia, Musk, or Big Balls could possibly insert such code and would also know how to do it such that code check numbers would still match.

Also, the subsequent random checks can be very lucky by how the random choice is made. Properly, that would involve a random number generator picking random numbers. Then the unlucky team has to count through hundreds of ballots to find number 12,345. Humans like to pick at random. Much easier. The first batch gets the most picks and someone says: Let's call it a day. That's why the first 500 ballots don't get the changes made.

And what do they do if one error is found. Pick another ballot and call it a day. The science of statistical use is a very questionable science, especially when it doesn't get fully checked for repetition.

"Our system of elections is so decentralized, and has so many people involved, that only by magical handwashing all the problems away can such a scheme be pulled off."
It doesn't have to be magical if it is done smartly.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

34. The green

background makes it look authentic. Calling my congressman now ....

[kooth]

37. Please Watch This Video ...

Here is a link to Election Truth Alliance: https://electiontruthalliance.org/.

I am a retired computer programmer and I understand statistic well-enough to know that there is a strong possibility that the votes in the swing states were compromised. Not via the voting machines, but by the tabulation machines. Please watch the video.

[Abnredleg]

45. Does it explain how they got around the audits

When they hand counted samples of paper ballots and compared them to the published results?

[malaise]

44. I remain

Doubting malaise since November 2024

[Fil1957]

47. He brings up some good points, the data look quite suspicious, but there is no

smoking gun. Even if there was, this analysis doesn't address the real problem -- over 70 million people were brainwashed enough to vote for Trump and others. Until we can address that, bringing up issues of possible election interference, fraud, etc. is like trying to rearrange the chairs on the Titanic.

[Botany]

54. Do you want a Smoking Gun?

https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/she-won-part-x-vr-systems-151-fake

590,000 voters eligibility may have been called into question because V R Systems
(Republican controlled) in Florida might have been ruled out after the voter had provided
I.D. but somehow they got listed as not providing an I.D.. This could have been done after
the voter had cast their ballot.

V.R. Systems is in use in multiple states too to validate a voters I.D.. No I.D. = no vote.

[Kaleva]

57. How would they know which ballot to toss?

Once the ballot is scanned, there’s no way to match it to a voter

[questionseverything]

64. It's actually illegal to look at the paper ballots in Florida

By law they can only be counted by machine

[Kaleva]

128. Same in Michigan

So I don’t see how anyone would know which of the ballots made by voters who were later disqualified to toss.

[questionseverything]

153. It's not that they are tossing ballots

Numbers are being reported as n/n, no id, no vote when the guy has his letter from the election board that his two forms of id have been received and accepted

If happens like a couple 100,000 times in one day in two different counties, it doesn’t appear to effect the count but they are saying if it’s flipped this huge number incorrectly for no apparent reason then it could of flipped votes

[Kaleva]

157. But the person I had responded to said the voter had voted

[questionseverything]

161. That's the point, the results published don't match what actually happened

[Kaleva]

158. But the person I had responded to said the voter had voted

[Botany]

65. Peter Thiel's Palantir was and is very good at running large batch files of data and democratic leaning voters

….. might have been picked out prior to the election for special consideration. It would have been
tricky to do because if somebody had been dropped from the voter rolls then that should have been
shown up in the voter lists @ the precinct.

[Kaleva]

130. But how do you match the ballot with the dem leaning voter?

The counting machine can’t tell which voter submitted which ballot

At the end of the day, the tally of total ballots entered into the machine must equal the number of people who showed up and who voted along with the number of mail in ballots

[Botany]

134. I. D. K.

That is a good question.

[questionseverything]

136. The point is they are publishing results that are inaccurate

[Fil1957]

101. Voter suppression is well documented going back to the 2000 presidential election. My point is that as long there are

millions of people (even if they are the minority) willing to vote and support the utter destruction of the rule of law, democracy, life support systems and the environment, we have a problem much deeper than voter suppression, election fraud and interference. Those election issues are a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself.

[Botany]

118. I disagree with you but in a nice way.

Election interference, voter suppression, the electoral college, multi billion dollar disinformation
right wing campaigns, gerrymandering, billionaires, and Christo Facsism has allowed for the rise
in right wing dumb asses getting more power than they should. That being said I think > 30% of
Americans are racist, sexist, and anti intellectual and that keeps the republicans in the game.

I wish you well.

[bluestarone]

123. I, 100% agree about that 30%

Looking at the numbers for years and years, 30% have ALWAYS been ASSHOLE Americans!! That's a fact!

[Botany]

126. And call me a conspiracy nut but I think the planned and calculated crippling of education helps in the ..

…. goal of keeping Americans stupid. Plus generational idiocy hurts our nation too.

[bluestarone]

127. Man, you got that right!

Telling Dr's how to Dr. Teachers, how to teach, Pastors how to pray, (i don't anymore) Supreme court judges, how to judge. On and ON, and ON.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. Oy Vey

[Buddyzbuddy]

51. This is NOT a both sides do it situation.

For those of you calling it a made up conspiracy theory there is substantial proof that at the very least should be studied to prevent possible future questions.

A group of statisticians working for "Election Truth Alliance" has studied the 2020 and 2024 elections and have provided compelling evidence of statistical analysis of anomalies that occurred during the 2024 election. Using many graphs they are able to show very easily the astronomical anomalies that occurred of which the odds of happening number in the billions. I was able to see a 2 part, 3-hour presentation on Christopher Titus's podcast on YouTube.

To collect all of the data has taken time which would answer the question, "why wasn't this evidence provided before the Felon stepped foot in the People's Whitehouse".
The other obvious question would be, "what can be done now?" Probably not a damn thing. But, if the election was stolen, maybe we can learn how to prevent it in the future and we can still punish the perpetrators in the next Administration, without Garland there to slow the process.

Unlike previous election deniers, we are not storming D.C., we are not taking up arms and we are not making the accusations based on a losing politician's word. Rationally, we understand there's probably nothing that can be done about it. So no, it's not just like Republican's reaction.

[questionseverything]

55. We could count the paper ballots openly and transparently

That’s the fix

[Abnredleg]

59. There's a reason why fraud cases have to be " pled with particularity"

And not through the use of statistics, and that is the latter is easily manipulated to create the desired outcome.

https://hallrender.com/2017/02/02/statistical-evidence-and-the-false-claims-act/

[Buddyzbuddy]

68. Can I prove there was cheating? No.

Do I suspect there was cheating? Yes.
I would gladly listen to statisticians provide and substantiate both arguments because there are enough rational reasons to do so. To say no with certainty would be a mistake IMHO.

[Abnredleg]

76. Sure, you can find statistical arguments to support your claim

That’s the easy part. It all falls apart when you try to concoct a scheme involving thousands of precincts and people that manages to bypass multiple layers of security and post election audits. That’s when magical handwaving comes into play.

[Buddyzbuddy]

137. The evidence presented answers most questions that might be brought up.

The attack of the election system only needed to be concentrated in 8 swing states not the whole nation and the anamolies were not just the votes but also events surrounding voting day. Their are comparisons of mail in voting vs live voting, etc., etc.

I don't need to convince anybody, I'm just providing a source of information but it really surprises me how many people on our side are so insistent that it's impossible for anything to have happened. I allow for the possibilty of either and ask, show me the proof. I can only imagine how frustrating it must feel to know the truth when one feels everybody else is going the wrong way.
I don't know the truth which is why I have questions and continue to seek answers whether I like the answers or not.

[Abnredleg]

139. My skepticism comes from decades of government IT

I have first hand knowledge of network security and how elections are run, which is why it’s so easy to dismiss the “how” piece of this conspiracy. The GOP provided the same type of statistical “analysis” in 2020, but everything fell to pieces when it came to trying to explain how it happened. Same thing here - the analysis is worthless unless you can explain the how, and no one has presented any options that stand up to scrutiny.

Oh, and let’s not forget that the Harris campaign has stated that they never led according to their polls, and that they have accepted the results. Time to move on.

[Buddyzbuddy]

141. I appreciate your experience and knowledge.

When you add that together with other sources of information, it goes a long way to prove your position.

On the other hand, what about all of the bomb threats that were called in to swing state facilities where voting and counting were underway and had to be vacated thereby leaving ballots unattended. It seems to have been a coordinated effort whether perpetrated by Republicans or a foreign gov't that had a stake in our politics. Did this happen in the 2020 election?

Was the richest man in the world with a collection of computer geniuses working on behalf of a 34 count Felon whose freedom was on the line and wouldn't hesitate to cheat, working on the 2020 election?

When was the last time members of a previous administration came out against the President they served under let alone the scores of voters of the opposition party coming out in favor of the opposition.

I don't have an answer for the polls just prior to election day. If the election was legitimate, I don't think Republicans won so much as I think Democrats lost. The Felon is the punishment for the Nation, for the Democrats failure to win. No matter the reason. I would hate to see a repeat in '26 and '28. Remember, he said if Republicans got him into office, they wouldn't have to worry about voting again. Most of us assumed it was because he couldn't run again, not that he wouldn't leave office a la Putin.

[Abnredleg]

142. The delays due to bombs were made up

By keeping the polls open longer. Election officials have stated it had no significant impact..

As to Musk, there has been no viable “how” presented, given the highly decentralized nature of our election system and the fact that in all states you can’t connect election equipment to the Internet.

Trump won because a large percentage of the population pays no attention to politics and blamed Biden for high prices. The economy was always the major issue of the election, and people were suffering. They still are and now we can use it to our advantage in 2026.

[Buddyzbuddy]

147. Very compelling facts, thank you.

I would certainly like to hear the response from the pro cheater faction about no direct connection to the internet.

As for bomb threats not having an impact on the election, I was not aware, there were so many bomb threats until recently therefore I wasn't aware that it had no significant impact.

Finally, low information voters was a pretty obvious problem as evidenced by the number of undecided voters so close to the election.

Now, if I could just see a debate about the stastical anomalies I might change my opinion.

[questionseverything]

109. Statistics can be manipulated, that's why risk limiting audits are worthless

[Abnredleg]

114. Different type of statistical analysis

The only statistics involved in RLA are determining the number of ballots to sample, and that number increases considerably the closer the race is. After that, it’s a manual compass of ballots to tabulated results. Given that the starting sample relatively large to begin with, that means the resulting sample is very robust. It’s a very well method that has been used in elections for decades.

[questionseverything]

116. lol, ok , so your statistics good, election integrity statistics bad

Last edited Fri Oct 3, 2025, 06:21 PM - Edit history (1)

Make up your mind, I’m getting dizzy

[Abnredleg]

140. The statistical methods used to select random samples

are simple and have been around for decades. The statistical analysis used in the video is opaque and uses questionable assumptions that can be easily countered by outside data. Thats why everyone, including the campaign, has moved on. This is no different from the “analysis” done by the GOP in 2020. Just like the GOP fell on its face while attempting to show “how” the conspiracy was carried out, this video has plenty of conjecture but not coherent “how”. Doesn’t matter how compelling the analysis if you can’t show a reasonable method of carrying out the conspiracy.

[questionseverything]

151. See post #71

The method is the easy part

[BComplex]

156. These graphs aren't "statistics". They are actual votes. The graphs aren't

manipulating anything.

[yellow dahlia]

96. Well said.

[Gaugamela]

53. C'mon everybody, no two or more people would ever agree in secret to break the law

for their own advantage, because that would be a CONSPIRACY THEORY!

Duh!

We all know that Julius Caesar wasn’t stabbed in the Capitol by a bunch Roman senators because that’s a dipshit CONSPIRACY THEORY!

Trump can’t be a Russian asset named Krasnov because that’s a lame-brain CONSPIRACY THEORY!

Jeffrey Epstein couldn’t have colluded with Ghislaine Maxwell to blackmail rich pervs because that’s just a stupid CONSPIRACY THEORY!”

Repeat after me: THERE ARE NO CONSPIRACIES BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO START OUT ”IN THEORY!”

Get with the program, people!

[BComplex]

159. I know! Right? That's why there's NO SUCH WORD!!! "Conspiracy"! No such word.

It's way past time democrats were actually WOKE, and could wake up to what has been happening to our country for the past 40 years.

We've brought spaghetti noodles to a knife fight.

[JoseBalow]

62. Like moths to a flame

[Kingofalldems]

70. Uh oh---gatekeepers not liking this one at all.

Kick and rec big time just for that.

[madinmaryland]

73. Bev Harris?

[Kid Berwyn]

74. "I just want to find 11,780, uh, votes."

That’s just one phone call. The traitor had an army of traitors doing worse, including “examining” the ballot tabulators.

[Gimpyknee]

78. Whatever became of the claim here there were a couple of counties in New York where Harris did not receive a single vote

[questionseverything]

104. The county is fighting tooth and nail to make sure regular human beings don't get to count those ballots

[annielion]

112. The judge in the Rockland County, New York lawsuit has until November 8 to decide

The judge in the Rockland County, New York lawsuit has until November 8 to decide if SmartElections.us can do a hand count of the paper ballots.

[QueerDuck]

80. Pure clickbait... but without the ALL CAPS YELLOW IMPACT FONT, and a YELLOW ARROW pointing at Trump.

Yawn.

[returnee]

92. Bull. n/t

[AverageOldGuy]

83. Could we please stop this "Trump did not win in 2024" bullshit???

This claim has been popping up every few weeks since earlier this year.

I recently retired after serving almost 15 years as a local Electoral Board member in a rural VA county. I know election officials in several states, have been in other states to observe their practices. I know every piece of voting equipment used in the US forward and backward. I don't claim to be an expert on election processes but this claim needs to go away -- because:

1. It's based on "sources" -- what sources???? No one knows.
2. It makes us look as bad as Trump.
3, It takes time and energy away from protecting upcoming elections and getting out the vote for Democratic candidates.


I visited the website of the "Election Truth Alliance." Looks pretty sketchy to me. In Virginia, I have been doing battle with an organization calling themselves the "Electoral Process Education Corporation" -- they operate out of a mail drop in a Fairfax, VA, strip mall; their officers and analysts are a gaggle of self-promoters, wackjobs, and MAGAts. I see some similarities with this "Election Truth Alliance."

The "Executive Director" of this group is named "Jive." Sure thing, gang, sure thing. I was born at night but not last night.

Flame away if you believe this crap, which is your privilege to do.

[QueerDuck]

119. Good luck with that. This seems to be unlikely.

The replies of those in support (and that are critical of things like this) are very revealing. It's just that tinfoil CT is not my thing... although I do understand how these types of far-fetched ideas and beliefs can help folks to find "order" in the universe and to explain things that are "unexplainable" or just random or just... sadly... the truth that's hard to accept.

Trump won. That's a fact. The EC sucks but it's what we have. There are many other nefarious reasons (and players) who influenced the outcome of the election (ie: "uncommitted" and "leaveitblank'') which likely had more of an effect in boosting Trump than those who defend this "movement" are willing to admit. Sad but true.

[dwayneb]

138. Thanks for your service as an election worker

Dead on with your comments.

[Joinfortmill]

86. Yup.

[annielion]

93. Computer voting systems are always hackable. Always.

Beginning in 2004 we began having our votes counted on computers. Since 2004 there have always been problems with our voting systems. However, no election was stolen more thoroughly than the 2024 election . Very thorough election fraud in 2024. The evidence of election fraud is statistical data, which seems like nonsense to some people. The proof is doing hand counting of select precincts or counties and comparing the hand counted results with the stated election results. Proof is coming. The judge in the Rockland County, New York lawsuit has until November 8 to decide if SmartElections.us can do a hand count of the 2024 election. ElectionsTrustAllialnce.org is keeping any lawsuits they may initiate "close to the chest."

[Eliot Rosewater]

102. I got tired of being yelled at for linking the unbelievable evidence

Christopher Titus had on his YouTube with cyber experts, it just wasn’t worth it anymore.

Glad to see someone else is taking it up.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

105. I would call the "evidence" not believable v. unbelievable n/t

[Mr.Bee]

108. I believe Statitstics, Numbers and Math

[B.See]

113. My two cents? MAGA has

continuously denied the legitimacy of Biden's Presidency. So I'm totally fine with Democrats doing the same to Trump.

Turnabout is fair play.

[Eliot Rosewater]

115. Especially when the piece of shit himself announces before the election that his friend musk knows those voting machine

He sure does, or at least his experts knew them well enough, when you watch the YouTube I link to it will be amazing to you.

They were pretty smart though although Trump‘s a moron to claim their election was stolen every single day when they knew they were going to rig an election and therefore anyone who says it was stolen like I’m doing gets yelled at even by people that should know better around here, even.

[Eliot Rosewater]

117. Here

?si=LMTzfcqok8WAx1v0

Make sure to watch all three parts

[B.See]

131. Perhaps not as amazed as you might think.

I've never denied the possibility of it, nor claimed it as an impossibility. What I have said (in response to similar posts) is that Republicans have long been rigging the vote, via voter suppression and in numerous other ways even before Election Night 2024.

And I've been posting news items and writing op-eds about this for a good decade, including that 2018 Abrams, Kemp gubernatorial DEBACLE in Georgia.

Fact is, their efforts have been so widespread, so varied, so maliciously all-encompassing, and ongoing for SO long, that it's difficult even for one who's been following it, to remember it all.

That's by design, of course.

Here are just THREE, quite detailed, Wikipedia references re. THE REPUBLICAN ATTACK UPON THE RIGHT TO VOTE:

Republican Party efforts to disrupt the 2024 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

Republican efforts to restrict voting following the 2020 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

Voter suppression in the United States - Wikipedia

[niyad]

110. Not a thread on this? Seriously? Offhand, I can recall a number of them posted

here over the last several months.

[Eliot Rosewater]

111. Three parts make sure to watch them all. No it isn't a comedian making the claim

?si=LMTzfcqok8WAx1v0

Just watch the videos please.

[Kingofalldems]

125. Trump fans not liking this thread one bit.

So KICK again.

[berniesandersmittens]

152. Whatcha got against Halloween?

[Blasphemer]

149. There was no fix. The Right Wing Controls the Media. Americans Are Stupid. MAGA is a cult. Simple as that. NT