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lostnfound

(17,503 posts)
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 10:35 AM 6 hrs ago

Infuriated. Soft-peddling of threat to women's voting and habitual blindness to GOP voter caging will kill democracy

This is the plan. It’s obvious. It will be successful.
*Pass SAVE act equivalent in swing states
*Focus media on ‘showing a driver license’ or ‘new registrations’.
- like lightning rods and pressure relief valves, these reduce or divert energy
*Use agencies and big data to create lists of “suspect” voters — any divorced women in specific zip codes? Anyone changing their address from one liberal neighborhood to another?
*Cast a huge net to disenfranchise and create chaos; and fight it out in the courts when it is too late

SOFT-PEDALLING: “Married (or divorced) women MAY NEED additional documentation”? No, they WILL need it, unless they have a current passport.
This bipartisan policy.org research study focuses on whether the requirement will disadvantage BUT cannot name the elephant in the room.
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/article/do-documentary-proof-of-citizenship-requirements-disadvantage-one-party-more-than-the-other/
Stats such as this are an example:

Research from Pew Research Center finds that Republican women are about half as likely as Democratic women to keep their last name after marriage (10% versus 20%), suggesting that Republican voters may be somewhat more likely to have to complete additional steps 4 linking their birth certificate to their current voter record.

Great — Democrats have an advantage because only 80% of women change their last name after marriage instead of 90%?? Golly gee.

THE BIG CAGE; Objective groups and opposition do nice surveys and statistics that nonetheless miss the big boat, or the big cage:
There are rules, and then there are rules that will be weaponized only on demand against specific groups of people.
The SAVE act in Florida at least mandates that the voter-roll-keepers act on reports from other agencies that cast doubt on accurate registration (absence of proof in a database that has never kept such proof; an address change).
So one DeSantis appointee can send a list of people in District xyz based on whatever caging rules that he wants; the voter rolls will be purged accordingly. Never fear; if the letter gets returned to sender, they might have to put a note in a local newspaper including you on a long list of names; or put it on line. This can happen WEEKLY.

They WON’T use these tactics in an even-handed way. It’s naive to think that.
1. They can concentrate their search in specific zip codes or neighborhoods, for example.
2. They can reduce the resources available to fix problems in the cities — while giving red areas plenty of staff or access — just like they’ve done with voting machines themselves, to cause incredibly long waits for some voters.
3. They can tamper with the SSN or other databases themselves. Remember when DOGE deleted 9.9 million people from the social security database claiming they were ‘impossibly old’? https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/social-security-conducting-major-records-cleanup-marking-7m-listed-age-120-deceased. They had WRITE access to the social security database at one point, for heaven’s sake.

STRATEGY. If you think that efforts by ALEC or DOGE or DeSantis aren’t all mapped out somewhere on a flowchart or strategy plan for dismantling US democracy, you don’t understand the GOP. Fending off the SAVE act at the federal level is important, but it is NOT a comprehensive strategy.
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Infuriated. Soft-peddling of threat to women's voting and habitual blindness to GOP voter caging will kill democracy (Original Post) lostnfound 6 hrs ago OP
I don't know if the Republicans ever knew what an election was for Walleye 6 hrs ago #1
They know. That's why they do everything to sabotage them. enough 6 hrs ago #2
They want the definition of "the People" to include Bettie 6 hrs ago #4
This has always been who they are. They hate women and they won't deny it Walleye 5 hrs ago #6
They would prefer white men who own real property (land) if they could get it JT45242 3 hrs ago #14
If this passes, I also expect them to demand Bettie 3 hrs ago #16
The detailed language of the bill makes a version of that scenario almost inevitable lostnfound 39 min ago #23
So, this might be their back door way of Bettie 20 min ago #25
And the USPS will run short of cash next year, so those notices wont arrive. Nt lostnfound 27 min ago #24
ABSOLUTELY. My story in PA FalloutShelter 6 hrs ago #3
Great post. And the soft-peddling is slowing the process of alerting women to this threat. lostnfound 6 hrs ago #5
I'm waiting for the next Fascist to propose branding of women... FalloutShelter 5 hrs ago #8
I wonder how many counties have invalidated groups of birth certificates lostnfound 4 hrs ago #9
NO reason given to me. FalloutShelter 4 hrs ago #10
"...every woman in this country should be as well." markodochartaigh 4 hrs ago #13
Women all over the US are facing this problem, and that's only the beginning FakeNoose 4 hrs ago #11
I've been publishing, and creating and selling art in my maiden name through two FalloutShelter 4 hrs ago #12
But even a current passport is no proof of residence which is required for a state issued ID. erronis 3 hrs ago #15
I've shown my US passport in Pennsylvania and had no trouble FakeNoose 2 hrs ago #20
We don't get bills mailed to us Bettie 3 hrs ago #17
Show something from your bank, or a voided check out of your checkbook? FakeNoose 2 hrs ago #21
I do have a passport and last time around Bettie 2 hrs ago #22
Everything in our life is in both of our names Bettie 18 min ago #26
And I don't think they care even if it affects Republican women... maptap22 5 hrs ago #7
STATE UPDATE: NORTH CAROLINA - Board of Elections plans to use SAVE database through rules change, not law lostnfound 3 hrs ago #18
I think that this is worthy of its own separate post on General Discussion markodochartaigh 3 hrs ago #19

Walleye

(44,612 posts)
1. I don't know if the Republicans ever knew what an election was for
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 10:37 AM
6 hrs ago

The purpose of elections is to determine the will of the people, not to have a contest. They don’t believe in the will of the people. they only believe in the will of their orange god

Bettie

(19,626 posts)
4. They want the definition of "the People" to include
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 11:05 AM
6 hrs ago

only men.

It is too hard to repeal the 19th amendment, so they're doing this as their first step toward entirely disenfranchising women.

JT45242

(4,025 posts)
14. They would prefer white men who own real property (land) if they could get it
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 01:22 PM
3 hrs ago

This is essentially a $200 poll tax for all without passports (or who need to renew the passport)

But for women who ever married or changed their name or divorced the poll tax increases as they will need certified copies of birth certificates, marriage license, name change forms, divorce decrees, name change documents again, etc.

They are also hoping to pass it in such a way that it passes during the summer so that people will not be able to get passport requests processed in time even if they pay the expedited fee.

Next, they will cut a bunch of staffing for people who process passports to make the wait lonegr -- you know until december after the election has been stolen.

Bettie

(19,626 posts)
16. If this passes, I also expect them to demand
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 01:26 PM
3 hrs ago

that each and every voter re-register before the next election....so, they pass it, then make the announcement about 60 days before the election that everyone has to re-register to be allowed to vote.

lostnfound

(17,503 posts)
23. The detailed language of the bill makes a version of that scenario almost inevitable
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 04:40 PM
39 min ago

*Every week the DMV must send a file containing possible noncitizens — which can mean simply that the DMV never made a determination about your citizenship — because that wasn’t a thing that they did. Even if you showed them your birth certificate or passport, they did their job to confirm your ID, but they were not expected to record the fact of those documents. Like, employees were EMPOWERED at one time to DO their JOBS; power could be decentralized to responsible staff, not micromanaged by power-hungry, data-hungry beasts.

So your DMV may have no record of ANYONE’s passport or birth certificate, so EVERYONE* could land on the ‘potential noncitizens’.
*EVERYONE who is up for driver license renewal, or changes their address, etc, at the very least. Potentially, more, because there seems to be wide discretion for agencies to randomly send ‘I suspect these people of being noncitizen’ lists to the department overseeing voter rolls.
Such notices trigger a need to go re-register.

Bettie

(19,626 posts)
25. So, this might be their back door way of
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 04:59 PM
20 min ago

cancelling the election...."well, since no one can verify anything in time, guess we can't have an election!"....sounds crazy, but hey, how many things that sounded crazy have become our reality?

FalloutShelter

(14,420 posts)
3. ABSOLUTELY. My story in PA
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 10:53 AM
6 hrs ago

I am a non driver.
Recently went to the DMV to renew my Non-Driver license and apply for a REAL I.D.
MY passport is WAY out of date, so I would have to start over there.
First step:
Needed my original birth cert. Check
Had to go to the town where the marriage license for my first marriage in 1976 was issued to get a copy. $$$
I have my second marriage cert.
2 proofs of address; bills with my name and mailing address on them.

What could go wrong?
FAIL...
My original birth cert from NJ is no longer valid ????? NJ passed a law two years ago or some such shit.
Now I have to get a new Birth Certificate issued and start over.

This is happening right now to women all across the country and let me tell you they are mad If the women in line with me at the DMV are any
metric. Several women ahead of me were rejected for similar issues and they were pissed.

The Gentleman at the window simply said... in a tired and condescending tone:
"TAKE IT UP WITH HOMELAND SECURITY"

This is an absolute cluster fuck for women.
Women who don't know. Women who are disabled. Women who don't have the means to travel to assemble these docs. Women who can't afford it.
MEN? NO PROBLEM.

lostnfound

(17,503 posts)
5. Great post. And the soft-peddling is slowing the process of alerting women to this threat.
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 11:15 AM
6 hrs ago

So many articles on this bill don’t even talk about women until 15 or 20 paragraphs in.
Then they use the ever popular “may need”. Which sounds like you may need an umbrella in case of rain.

REAL ID, as burdensome as it is, was supposed to be enough. But NOOO, now they’ve added a little flag instead of the yellow-star — only some that are issued in Michigan, New York, Minnesota, Vermont, Washington. That’s for Enhanced ID — and that’s the only type of driver license that will prove citizenship, under the SAVE acts.

Hang onto that new certified birth certificate.

FalloutShelter

(14,420 posts)
8. I'm waiting for the next Fascist to propose branding of women...
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 11:51 AM
5 hrs ago

Like USDA cattle.
and BTW ... PLEASE< PLEASE< PLEASE...Democrats: Stop targeting the Democrats that you don't like.
You will NEVER find candidates that check all of your boxes.

The Congress is a numbers game, pure and simple. WE need every D vote... even ones you don't like.
Let's get the numbers first and we can sort for performance later.

THIS IS A FIVE ALARM FIRE AND IT'S ALL HANDS ON DECK.
WAKE UP PEOPLE.

Drag away.

lostnfound

(17,503 posts)
9. I wonder how many counties have invalidated groups of birth certificates
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 12:28 PM
4 hrs ago

You mention New Jersey, and I hadn’t heard of that. Looks like large group of people.

I was familiar with Texas, where a hospital in Houston closed and many birth certificates there were incorrect. One woman has been trying for 20 years to get hers officially corrected because they just listed her name as “Girl” — which was common when she was born 40 years ago. https://www.fox26houston.com/news/birth-certificate-issues-persist-jefferson-davis-hospital-births

I also recall in Texas when the state invalidated a whole big group of people for where they were born, because a few certificates were issued fraudulently but thousands of innocent people were caught in the crosshairs of that.

Another woman was recorded as “M” instead of “F”.

FalloutShelter

(14,420 posts)
10. NO reason given to me.
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 12:46 PM
4 hrs ago

This Birth Certificate has been good enough for my entire life including Passports.

BTW... WHY would I suddenly need a Passport to vote? Am I voting in PARIS?

(issues in 1953 BTW)

I am incandescent with anger over this and every woman in this country should be as well.

markodochartaigh

(5,478 posts)
13. "...every woman in this country should be as well."
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 01:19 PM
4 hrs ago

Everyone who cares about free and fair elections should be as well.

FakeNoose

(41,356 posts)
11. Women all over the US are facing this problem, and that's only the beginning
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 01:06 PM
4 hrs ago

What if you're married and the house is in your husband's name? What if your bank accounts and credit cards are in his name? How do you prove that you actually live where you live, if all the bills and mail are coming to him?

Also this: what if you got divorced "X" number of years ago, and you're still going by your old married name because your kids have that name too? What hoops do you jump through to prove that the birth certificate is/was yours, when you're not using that name and you're no longer married to the man whose name you are using?

And what if you should remarry, then what? It's Loony-toons.

My only solution is to get a US passport in your MAIDEN NAME and never let it expire. Keep renewing it every 10 years without fail. Be sure your bank and your employers know you by your maiden name, even though your friends may call you by your "married" name, if you so choose.

It seems that many younger (Gen-Z) women are side-stepping the entire issue by keeping their maiden name always. This is what we've come to in this country and it's absolutely insane.

FalloutShelter

(14,420 posts)
12. I've been publishing, and creating and selling art in my maiden name through two
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 01:18 PM
4 hrs ago

marriages and name changes over 50 yers.

Not good enough.

erronis

(23,699 posts)
15. But even a current passport is no proof of residence which is required for a state issued ID.
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 01:22 PM
3 hrs ago

It's a purposefully self-defeating cluster f**k.

FakeNoose

(41,356 posts)
20. I've shown my US passport in Pennsylvania and had no trouble
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 02:29 PM
2 hrs ago

But now that you mention it, I think I did need to show them something with my current address. My vehicle registration has always been handy because it lists my current residence.

Bettie

(19,626 posts)
17. We don't get bills mailed to us
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 01:28 PM
3 hrs ago

they are all online. Right now they accept a printout of our bill, but who knows what they'll do next.

FakeNoose

(41,356 posts)
21. Show something from your bank, or a voided check out of your checkbook?
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 02:35 PM
2 hrs ago

In Pennsylvania we have Insurance ID cards and Vehicle Registration cards that both show one's current residence. Is that done in other states too? There are ways to comply with these stupid laws, if we come prepared.

Bettie

(19,626 posts)
22. I do have a passport and last time around
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 03:04 PM
2 hrs ago

they accepted a printed utility bill to get my Real ID, which also has my address on it.

Honestly, the real id required more documentation than my passport.

Bettie

(19,626 posts)
26. Everything in our life is in both of our names
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 05:01 PM
18 min ago

my husband ensured that, because he didn't want there to be any problems if anything happens to one of us.

maptap22

(271 posts)
7. And I don't think they care even if it affects Republican women...
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 11:43 AM
5 hrs ago

They don't want women voting period.! This is the first step to roll back this right.

And who is going to stop them from purging all women a few weeks before the mid-terms where we would not have time to re-register?

I served 15 years in the military...was willing to die for my county. I am telling you right now - I will not take it lightly if they take my right to vote. I will die to protect it. I don't think I am alone in that thinking.

lostnfound

(17,503 posts)
18. STATE UPDATE: NORTH CAROLINA - Board of Elections plans to use SAVE database through rules change, not law
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 01:32 PM
3 hrs ago
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article314981701.html

As North Carolina election officials consider partnering with the Trump administration to remove alleged noncitizens from the voter rolls, attendees at a public hearing on Monday railed against the proposal, saying it was likely to disenfranchise eligible voters.

Monday’s hearing revolved around new proposed rules that would allow the State Board of Elections to identify “presumptive noncitizens” based on reviews of government databases, like the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements, or SAVE system, housed within the Department of Homeland Security. The board is currently negotiating a deal with DHS to feed potentially millions of voters at a time into the SAVE system in search of noncitizens. Several speakers at Monday’s hearing noted that SAVE was not designed for this purpose and has historically only been used to confirm eligibility for government benefits.

If the rules were to be approved, the state would flag “presumptive noncitizens” for county election boards, which would be required to review local records to see if those voters ever provided documentation of citizenship. If not, the county board would challenge the voter’s eligibility and hold a formal hearing in which the voter would be invited to provide proof of citizenship. Irene Grimes, a Democratic member of the Cumberland County Board of Elections, said at Monday’s hearing that this setup treated voters as guilty until proven innocent. “Instead of presuming that voters are eligible, these rules risk treating them as suspect first and forcing them to prove their innocence later, often at significant personal cost in time, money and stress,” she said.

Read more at: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article314981701.html#storylink=cpy


The article mentions one representative from a conservative think tank admitting that 5 days notice to attend a hearing is probably not enough time.and should be lengthened to 10 days.

For those who are unaware: The NC governor is a Democrat (Josh Stein, good guy) but the damn state legislature (gerrymandered, heavily red) finagled a way to get total control of elections back in their hands. https://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/article314981342.html
For nearly 10 years, Republican lawmakers fought to take away election appointment power away from Democratic governors. In 2024, they finally succeeded, passing a bill that wrested control of election administration from the newly elected governor (a Democrat) and placed it in the hands of the newly elected state auditor (a Republican). North Carolina is the only state in the country where the auditor oversees election administration. Now, the State Board of Elections has a Republican majority, as do the elections boards in all 100 counties.

Read more at: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/article314981342.html#storylink=cpy
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