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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsInfuriated. Soft-peddling of threat to women's voting and habitual blindness to GOP voter caging will kill democracy
This is the plan. Its obvious. It will be successful.
*Pass SAVE act equivalent in swing states
*Focus media on showing a driver license or new registrations.
- like lightning rods and pressure relief valves, these reduce or divert energy
*Use agencies and big data to create lists of suspect voters any divorced women in specific zip codes? Anyone changing their address from one liberal neighborhood to another?
*Cast a huge net to disenfranchise and create chaos; and fight it out in the courts when it is too late
SOFT-PEDALLING: Married (or divorced) women MAY NEED additional documentation? No, they WILL need it, unless they have a current passport.
This bipartisan policy.org research study focuses on whether the requirement will disadvantage BUT cannot name the elephant in the room.
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/article/do-documentary-proof-of-citizenship-requirements-disadvantage-one-party-more-than-the-other/
Stats such as this are an example:
Research from Pew Research Center finds that Republican women are about half as likely as Democratic women to keep their last name after marriage (10% versus 20%), suggesting that Republican voters may be somewhat more likely to have to complete additional steps 4 linking their birth certificate to their current voter record.
Great Democrats have an advantage because only 80% of women change their last name after marriage instead of 90%?? Golly gee.
THE BIG CAGE; Objective groups and opposition do nice surveys and statistics that nonetheless miss the big boat, or the big cage:
There are rules, and then there are rules that will be weaponized only on demand against specific groups of people.
The SAVE act in Florida at least mandates that the voter-roll-keepers act on reports from other agencies that cast doubt on accurate registration (absence of proof in a database that has never kept such proof; an address change).
So one DeSantis appointee can send a list of people in District xyz based on whatever caging rules that he wants; the voter rolls will be purged accordingly. Never fear; if the letter gets returned to sender, they might have to put a note in a local newspaper including you on a long list of names; or put it on line. This can happen WEEKLY.
They WONT use these tactics in an even-handed way. Its naive to think that.
1. They can concentrate their search in specific zip codes or neighborhoods, for example.
2. They can reduce the resources available to fix problems in the cities while giving red areas plenty of staff or access just like theyve done with voting machines themselves, to cause incredibly long waits for some voters.
3. They can tamper with the SSN or other databases themselves. Remember when DOGE deleted 9.9 million people from the social security database claiming they were impossibly old? https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/social-security-conducting-major-records-cleanup-marking-7m-listed-age-120-deceased. They had WRITE access to the social security database at one point, for heavens sake.
STRATEGY. If you think that efforts by ALEC or DOGE or DeSantis arent all mapped out somewhere on a flowchart or strategy plan for dismantling US democracy, you dont understand the GOP. Fending off the SAVE act at the federal level is important, but it is NOT a comprehensive strategy.
Walleye
(44,612 posts)The purpose of elections is to determine the will of the people, not to have a contest. They dont believe in the will of the people. they only believe in the will of their orange god
enough
(13,748 posts)Bettie
(19,626 posts)only men.
It is too hard to repeal the 19th amendment, so they're doing this as their first step toward entirely disenfranchising women.
Walleye
(44,612 posts)JT45242
(4,025 posts)This is essentially a $200 poll tax for all without passports (or who need to renew the passport)
But for women who ever married or changed their name or divorced the poll tax increases as they will need certified copies of birth certificates, marriage license, name change forms, divorce decrees, name change documents again, etc.
They are also hoping to pass it in such a way that it passes during the summer so that people will not be able to get passport requests processed in time even if they pay the expedited fee.
Next, they will cut a bunch of staffing for people who process passports to make the wait lonegr -- you know until december after the election has been stolen.
Bettie
(19,626 posts)that each and every voter re-register before the next election....so, they pass it, then make the announcement about 60 days before the election that everyone has to re-register to be allowed to vote.
lostnfound
(17,503 posts)*Every week the DMV must send a file containing possible noncitizens which can mean simply that the DMV never made a determination about your citizenship because that wasnt a thing that they did. Even if you showed them your birth certificate or passport, they did their job to confirm your ID, but they were not expected to record the fact of those documents. Like, employees were EMPOWERED at one time to DO their JOBS; power could be decentralized to responsible staff, not micromanaged by power-hungry, data-hungry beasts.
So your DMV may have no record of ANYONEs passport or birth certificate, so EVERYONE* could land on the potential noncitizens.
*EVERYONE who is up for driver license renewal, or changes their address, etc, at the very least. Potentially, more, because there seems to be wide discretion for agencies to randomly send I suspect these people of being noncitizen lists to the department overseeing voter rolls.
Such notices trigger a need to go re-register.
Bettie
(19,626 posts)cancelling the election...."well, since no one can verify anything in time, guess we can't have an election!"....sounds crazy, but hey, how many things that sounded crazy have become our reality?
lostnfound
(17,503 posts)FalloutShelter
(14,420 posts)I am a non driver.
Recently went to the DMV to renew my Non-Driver license and apply for a REAL I.D.
MY passport is WAY out of date, so I would have to start over there.
First step:
Needed my original birth cert. Check
Had to go to the town where the marriage license for my first marriage in 1976 was issued to get a copy. $$$
I have my second marriage cert.
2 proofs of address; bills with my name and mailing address on them.
What could go wrong?
FAIL...
My original birth cert from NJ is no longer valid ????? NJ passed a law two years ago or some such shit.
Now I have to get a new Birth Certificate issued and start over.
This is happening right now to women all across the country and let me tell you they are mad If the women in line with me at the DMV are any
metric. Several women ahead of me were rejected for similar issues and they were pissed.
The Gentleman at the window simply said... in a tired and condescending tone:
"TAKE IT UP WITH HOMELAND SECURITY"
This is an absolute cluster fuck for women.
Women who don't know. Women who are disabled. Women who don't have the means to travel to assemble these docs. Women who can't afford it.
MEN? NO PROBLEM.
lostnfound
(17,503 posts)So many articles on this bill dont even talk about women until 15 or 20 paragraphs in.
Then they use the ever popular may need. Which sounds like you may need an umbrella in case of rain.
REAL ID, as burdensome as it is, was supposed to be enough. But NOOO, now theyve added a little flag instead of the yellow-star only some that are issued in Michigan, New York, Minnesota, Vermont, Washington. Thats for Enhanced ID and thats the only type of driver license that will prove citizenship, under the SAVE acts.
Hang onto that new certified birth certificate.
FalloutShelter
(14,420 posts)Like USDA cattle.
and BTW ... PLEASE< PLEASE< PLEASE...Democrats: Stop targeting the Democrats that you don't like.
You will NEVER find candidates that check all of your boxes.
The Congress is a numbers game, pure and simple. WE need every D vote... even ones you don't like.
Let's get the numbers first and we can sort for performance later.
THIS IS A FIVE ALARM FIRE AND IT'S ALL HANDS ON DECK.
WAKE UP PEOPLE.
Drag away.
lostnfound
(17,503 posts)You mention New Jersey, and I hadnt heard of that. Looks like large group of people.
I was familiar with Texas, where a hospital in Houston closed and many birth certificates there were incorrect. One woman has been trying for 20 years to get hers officially corrected because they just listed her name as Girl which was common when she was born 40 years ago. https://www.fox26houston.com/news/birth-certificate-issues-persist-jefferson-davis-hospital-births
I also recall in Texas when the state invalidated a whole big group of people for where they were born, because a few certificates were issued fraudulently but thousands of innocent people were caught in the crosshairs of that.
Another woman was recorded as M instead of F.
FalloutShelter
(14,420 posts)This Birth Certificate has been good enough for my entire life including Passports.
BTW... WHY would I suddenly need a Passport to vote? Am I voting in PARIS?
(issues in 1953 BTW)
I am incandescent with anger over this and every woman in this country should be as well.
markodochartaigh
(5,478 posts)Everyone who cares about free and fair elections should be as well.
FakeNoose
(41,356 posts)What if you're married and the house is in your husband's name? What if your bank accounts and credit cards are in his name? How do you prove that you actually live where you live, if all the bills and mail are coming to him?
Also this: what if you got divorced "X" number of years ago, and you're still going by your old married name because your kids have that name too? What hoops do you jump through to prove that the birth certificate is/was yours, when you're not using that name and you're no longer married to the man whose name you are using?
And what if you should remarry, then what? It's Loony-toons.
My only solution is to get a US passport in your MAIDEN NAME and never let it expire. Keep renewing it every 10 years without fail. Be sure your bank and your employers know you by your maiden name, even though your friends may call you by your "married" name, if you so choose.
It seems that many younger (Gen-Z) women are side-stepping the entire issue by keeping their maiden name always. This is what we've come to in this country and it's absolutely insane.
FalloutShelter
(14,420 posts)marriages and name changes over 50 yers.
Not good enough.
erronis
(23,699 posts)It's a purposefully self-defeating cluster f**k.
FakeNoose
(41,356 posts)But now that you mention it, I think I did need to show them something with my current address. My vehicle registration has always been handy because it lists my current residence.
Bettie
(19,626 posts)they are all online. Right now they accept a printout of our bill, but who knows what they'll do next.
FakeNoose
(41,356 posts)In Pennsylvania we have Insurance ID cards and Vehicle Registration cards that both show one's current residence. Is that done in other states too? There are ways to comply with these stupid laws, if we come prepared.
Bettie
(19,626 posts)they accepted a printed utility bill to get my Real ID, which also has my address on it.
Honestly, the real id required more documentation than my passport.
Bettie
(19,626 posts)my husband ensured that, because he didn't want there to be any problems if anything happens to one of us.
maptap22
(271 posts)They don't want women voting period.! This is the first step to roll back this right.
And who is going to stop them from purging all women a few weeks before the mid-terms where we would not have time to re-register?
I served 15 years in the military...was willing to die for my county. I am telling you right now - I will not take it lightly if they take my right to vote. I will die to protect it. I don't think I am alone in that thinking.
lostnfound
(17,503 posts)As North Carolina election officials consider partnering with the Trump administration to remove alleged noncitizens from the voter rolls, attendees at a public hearing on Monday railed against the proposal, saying it was likely to disenfranchise eligible voters.
Mondays hearing revolved around new proposed rules that would allow the State Board of Elections to identify presumptive noncitizens based on reviews of government databases, like the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements, or SAVE system, housed within the Department of Homeland Security. The board is currently negotiating a deal with DHS to feed potentially millions of voters at a time into the SAVE system in search of noncitizens. Several speakers at Mondays hearing noted that SAVE was not designed for this purpose and has historically only been used to confirm eligibility for government benefits.
If the rules were to be approved, the state would flag presumptive noncitizens for county election boards, which would be required to review local records to see if those voters ever provided documentation of citizenship. If not, the county board would challenge the voters eligibility and hold a formal hearing in which the voter would be invited to provide proof of citizenship. Irene Grimes, a Democratic member of the Cumberland County Board of Elections, said at Mondays hearing that this setup treated voters as guilty until proven innocent. Instead of presuming that voters are eligible, these rules risk treating them as suspect first and forcing them to prove their innocence later, often at significant personal cost in time, money and stress, she said.
Read more at: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article314981701.html#storylink=cpy
The article mentions one representative from a conservative think tank admitting that 5 days notice to attend a hearing is probably not enough time.and should be lengthened to 10 days.
For those who are unaware: The NC governor is a Democrat (Josh Stein, good guy) but the damn state legislature (gerrymandered, heavily red) finagled a way to get total control of elections back in their hands. https://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/article314981342.html
For nearly 10 years, Republican lawmakers fought to take away election appointment power away from Democratic governors. In 2024, they finally succeeded, passing a bill that wrested control of election administration from the newly elected governor (a Democrat) and placed it in the hands of the newly elected state auditor (a Republican). North Carolina is the only state in the country where the auditor oversees election administration. Now, the State Board of Elections has a Republican majority, as do the elections boards in all 100 counties.
Read more at: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/article314981342.html#storylink=cpy
markodochartaigh
(5,478 posts)n/t