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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsToday, civil rights leader Dolores Huerta issued the following statement:
I have encouraged people to always use their voice. Following the New York Times multi-year investigation into sexual misconduct by Cesar Chavez, I can no longer stay silent and must share my own experiences.
As a young mother in the 1960s, I experienced two separate sexual encounters with Cesar. The first time I was manipulated and pressured into having sex with him, and I didnt feel I could say no because he was someone that I admired, my boss and the leader of the movement I had already devoted years of my life to. The second time I was forced, against my will, and in an environment where I felt trapped.
I have kept this secret long enough. My silence ends here.
https://medium.com/@dolores_huerta/march-18-2026-e74c20430555
h2ebits
(998 posts)A brave woman who is finally speaking up for herself.
I haven't seen the articles about Caesar Chavez so I need to ask if he is another man linked in with Epstein?
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,888 posts)h2ebits
(998 posts)I don't even know what to say. . . . .
There are so many of us that this has happened to.
EdmondDantes_
(1,720 posts)Lots of men misbehaved before Epstein.
littlemissmartypants
(33,041 posts)Nearly every minute,
someone in the U.S. is sexually assaulted. Every nine minutes, that someone is a child.
50% of females experience sexual violence, including physical contact, during their lifetimes.
80% of females have been raped before reaching the age of 25.
19% is the lifetime prevalence estimation of non-partner sexual violence in Australia and New Zealand.
96% of individuals who sexually abuse children are male.
$22,500 is the cost of lost productivity at work of one individual because of sexual harassment in the workplace.
About 75% of the victims among adolescents of sexual assault involved someone known to them only.
6% of the women are survivors of non-partner sexual violence.
Every 68 seconds, an American is sexually assaulted.
$122,461 is the lifetime cost of rape per victim.
11% of sexual assault offenses involve an armed offender.
https://www.doulike.com/blog/statistics/sexual-assault-statistics/
questionseverything
(11,783 posts)EdmondDantes_
(1,720 posts)Sexual abuse is bad and has no place in the world. Plain enough for you? What a strange complaint.
Nittersing
(8,338 posts)Reporting on assaults on women/kids get distorted/fudged/diminished so people aren't uncomfortable. A baby being raped is called a child being assaulted so you don't feel so bad. And you might not picture an actual baby being raped.
I was violently raped when I was 23. (I'm 71 now) My clothes were cut off my body, my dog was thrown off the roof... That wasn't misbehaving.
2naSalit
(102,272 posts)Celerity
(54,279 posts)The actual stat is that of the ones who were raped over 4 in 5 had it happen before they turned 25.
18.3 per cent of US women have been raped at some point in their lives.

littlemissmartypants
(33,041 posts)The statement doesn't specifically say American women. The exact wording is:
"80% of females"
And it doesn't designate an exact location.
But I understand how easy it is to misread, have presuppositions, and generalize information across assumptions, especially when the subject is the emotionally charged subject discussed here.
Thanks for sharing the additional information.
❤️
Celerity
(54,279 posts)That claim is false.
DoULike is a dating app, and obviously is not a reliable source.
Here is the actual CDC data with links:
More than 80% of female rape victims in the U.S. report their first rape occurred before age 25, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention | CDC (.gov). Data indicates nearly half (49%) of these victims were under 18 at the time of their first assault. This statistic refers to the age of onset among victims, rather than 4 in 5 of all females in the general population.
littlemissmartypants
(33,041 posts)The CDC does research on issues related to health and wellness worldwide.
The information you shared still fails to support your assertion. But thanks for sharing it, nevertheless.
❤️
Celerity
(54,279 posts)
also, read the methodology section:
The National Intimate Partner and Sexual
Violence Survey (NISVS) is an ongoing, nationally
representative random-digit-dial (RDD) telephone
survey of adults in the United States using a dualframe
approach that includes both landline and
cell phones. Noninstitutionalized, English- and/or
Spanish-speaking adult women and men (18 years
and older) are surveyed. For this study, the survey
was administered twice between September 2016
and May 2017 (i.e., the 2016/2017 period). A total of
15,152 women and 12,419 men completed the survey.
The response rate was 7.6% (American Association
for Public Opinion Research [AAPOR] Response
Rate 4) and the cooperation rate was 58.6% (AAPOR
Cooperation Rate 4).15 More details about the survey
instrument and the methods used to collect the
2016/2017 NISVS data can be found in Kresnow et al.16
Survey sections were reorganized and several survey
questions were revised for the 2016/2017 NISVS
administration as detailed in Kresnow et al.16 Specific
to the sexual violence content of the survey, made
to penetrate items for female participants were
removed due to very low prevalence in previous
survey administrations. In addition, more specific
data were captured about the impact of sexual
violence: respondents were asked about the impacts
of sexual coercion (pregnancy [females only] and
sexually transmitted infections), and of rape and
made to penetrate combined (fear, concern for
safety, pregnancy [females only], sexually transmitted
infections, and physical injury). The perpetrator
category of brief encounter (which includes
someone met at a party, on a blind date, or online,
someone known by sight, a taxi driver, or a service
provider) is now presented as a specific perpetrator
category in the data tables; this perpetrator type
was previously subsumed under the acquaintance
category. Victims may have had multiple perpetrators;
therefore, the perpetrator categories within the tables
and figures do not sum to 100%. Finally, age at first
victimization findings are presented for additional
subtypes of sexual violence beyond rape and made to
penetrate, including sexual coercion and unwanted
sexual contact. Additional details about revisions to
the 2016/2017 NISVS instrument are described in
Kresnow et al.16 Comparisons to previous data years
are not recommended given the changes made in
the 2016/2017 administration compared to previous
NISVS data years.
Analyses were conducted using SAS (version 9.4)
and SAS-callable SUDAAN (version 11.1). Weighted
prevalence estimates and 95% confidence intervals
were produced separately for females and males,
along with total number of victims. Chi-square
tests were conducted to ascertain the association
between health conditions of interest and sexual
violence victimization with a p-value of 0.05 set as
the threshold for establishing statistical significance.
Estimates with relative standard errors > 30% or
a numerator sample count < 20 were considered
statistically unstable and not reported.
I am done here and have shown conclusively that I was correct in my original reply.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,888 posts)PatSeg
(53,189 posts)has been with us for as long as there have been men.
EdmondDantes_
(1,720 posts)It took me a lot of work to get past the feeling of collective guilt and understanding that I have that capacity in me (for whatever reason drives so many of us to commit violence sexual or otherwise) to be comfortable in my own skin about being an ally to victims. Didn't help that my biological dad is an abuser (in multiple ways although to me it was only emotional) and feeling like I had direct crappy genetic tendencies.
PatSeg
(53,189 posts)There are so many truly decent men out there who are appalled by the behavior of the entitled brutes. As a woman, I've done my part. I raised a good, respectful man who in turn is raising two incredible boys. As a society, we need to raise our boys better.
As for abusive parents, there are some children who grow up and repeat the behavior and others who go in the opposite direction. We can't always be sure which direction things will go. Fortunately for you, you took your own path.
"Edmond Dantes"? Have you seen the new Count of Monte Cristo miniseries on PBS?
PatSeg
(53,189 posts)leftstreet
(40,356 posts)Chasstev365
(7,669 posts)There is no way this is acceptable behavior for any man during any era of history. I am way beyond disappointed.
BlueWaveNeverEnd
(14,044 posts)BlueWaveNeverEnd
(14,044 posts)Both sexual encounters with Cesar led to pregnancies. I chose to keep my pregnancies secret and, after the children were born, I arranged for them to be raised by other families that could give them stable lives
TheRickles
(3,338 posts)angrychair
(12,213 posts)Over these cult of personalities. We have lost the ability to think and act in our own, collective, best interests.
Leaders are fine. Organizers are fine. Organizations are fine.
But leaders do not deserve unqualified loyalty. Or blind obedience.
They deserve to be questioned. Their answers challenged. Their conclusions examined.
We need to demand more and question everything.
Crowman2009
(3,504 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 18, 2026, 02:07 PM - Edit history (1)
It's probably why UFW were less effective in the 70's and afterward due to Ceasar making it all about him. Just as a lot of labor unions lost their effectiveness after the red scare, to which the leadership were replaced with personalities who were chummy with the government or even political parties who were hostile to organized labor.
UTUSN
(77,624 posts)Back then I defended Bill tooth and nail on partisan grounds at the raging brawls in Happy Hours. Privately, I blamed both of them for selfishness, irresponsibility, and risk to the country. Privately (for myself only) I was devastatedly crushed in Bill (last line of Primary Colors, "We saved you/again, don't break our hearts/again" - paraphrase) most of all for, as difficult as it is to attain the power to make a positive difference, he risked it all for crap. It took me a few years to shake off the focusing on individuals as heroes and personal cult leaders. Over the past couple of decades, the MAGAts go-to is to accuse us of worshipping Hillary or OBAMA. My answer is ready and without denigrating whoever our leaders are, that we aren't cult worshippers, we support the Democratic agenda above all and value our leaders by how effective they are in implementing it.
The internet (Al GORE's "information superhighway" ), beyond all the utilitarian uses, has opened our perspectives of knowledge to incredible extents, here in the complete exposure of our common humanity as opposed to the stale hero and villain judgments of the past - presidents with worse behaviors than Bill's, world historical figures who were genocidal maniacs, saints who weren't. Also, that fairly saintly behavior doesn't equate with effectiveness or achievement.
So, yes, *AGENDA* over individuals - not "Royals" born to deserve anything and not delinquents retaining the party label. If a "Dem" is caught with cash in the freezer or any other malfeasances, buh-bye.
CTyankee
(68,121 posts)fudging his relationship with "that woman" by saying he never had "sexual relations" with her ( well, yes, technically it wasn't "sexual intercourse, only sex "play"
. And the repukes knew exactly how to play this.
UTUSN
(77,624 posts)That said, other presidents have been even more flagrant than him, not mitigating for him by any means.
CTyankee
(68,121 posts)We have to consider what this does to the movement for social justice that we are part of. Of course, we Dems supported Clinton, who carried our banner as Democrats. It looks hypocritical for us to condemn the bad behavior of Republicans while "overlooking" our own leaders' behavior.
UTUSN
(77,624 posts)in broadly general, generic, unnamed terms. But I *name* the wingnuts.
CTyankee
(68,121 posts)infullview
(1,127 posts)But it galls me to no end that this gets more coverage than our current pedophile rapist in chief in MM. Chavez did some good things along with the bad; cant say the same for asshole Trump.
MuchBetterThanThis
(80 posts).. that being a DISTRACTION.🤷🏾
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,888 posts)NoRethugFriends
(3,744 posts)whathehell
(30,452 posts)is not a "distraction".
ALBliberal
(3,318 posts)He was not an international sex trafficker . As bad as he was.
Complete distraction since Hillary and Bill owned them in their depos.
Looks like we will have to rename a boulevard in Albuquerque.
pinkstarburst
(2,013 posts)to stand up to a dead man.
People are very afraid to stand up to Trump, starting with Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries.
They are both disgusting rapist pedophiles.
Chaves should have his name stripped from every street, every building, every monument. He may have done good things, but we don't honor pedophile rapists.
FakeNoose
(41,356 posts)Most of them are women, many were underage, and all of them were powerless to stop what was done to them. Our society must do better. We need to protect the innocent victims from ruthless, aggressive men.
Lock them up!
whathehell
(30,452 posts)are mentioned in the report.
twodogsbarking
(18,561 posts)Call other guys out when they are out of line. Don't be silent.
Joinfortmill
(21,014 posts)leftstreet
(40,356 posts)You'd almost think a key element to maintaining patriarchy is misogyny
yardwork
(69,282 posts)Walleye
(44,612 posts)Sneederbunk
(17,446 posts)regnaD kciN
(27,616 posts)Charlie Kirk Avenue, anyone?
Dont get me wrong, Chávez deserves all the opprobrium he gets. And he should be erased. But its unfortunate that this erasure of one of the few Latino political icons is taking place at a time when theres a concerted effort to erase Latinos as a whole from the U.S. (And I see no attempts to re-purpose, say, the Jefferson Memorial, despite it honoring someone who raped enslaved women.
pinkstarburst
(2,013 posts)to rename where they could, especially with more recent things. Some things that were named hundreds of years ago, I think it makes it tough. Do we rename the state of Washington and Washington DC because George Washington owned slaves? I hate anytime I hear someone even dare to suggest that Jefferson and Hennings might have had a consensual "romance." When one person owns another, it is rape. Stephen F Austin and Sam Houston owned slaves and I don't think we should rename the cities of Austin or Houston.
I personally think we need to move away from naming things after people so much. We seem to often find out after the fact that we didn't do our homework as well as we should have.
whathehell
(30,452 posts)She was a major player in that struggle...Take down his statue and put up one of her..Sounds like Justice, poetic and otherwise, to me.
pinkstarburst
(2,013 posts)And we should probably do some thinking about naming things after people as often as we do as it seems we often find out unsavory things about some of them.
Exp
(915 posts)NBachers
(19,407 posts)usonian
(24,964 posts)"Privilege" asserts that one is entitled to abuse others based on some, or skin color, or religion, or title or standing, even when that is earned. It is never acceptable to treat another as unequal, less a dignified human, nor unfairly ... my three guiding principles of just behavior ... equality, dignity of all beings and fairness.
And while it is always just to hold people accountable for their mistreatment of others, the coincidence of this with the unfolding Epstein story seems a bit more than "coincidence". It is always wrong to mistreat others, but "a crime only when caught", in street parlance.
There's an interesting "two sides" to this. Much as the magats are into "whatabout"... making one outlying example seem like it applies to all their targets, if they seize upon this as the abuse "only by libs" then they can't continue to deny the abuses of 'The Epstein Class"
Most societies, west and east, have a hierarchy, and mostly a very formal one, that makes it too tempting to cross the line into the land of "I'm smarter, better, more charismatic, closer to God and so on .. "
What's lacking most in this world is humility.
In a world of arrogance, where it's actually wired into the system, as we compete for jobs and position, arrogance is seen as a virtue, when it's exactly the opposite.
Paraphrasing Daisaku Ikeda, a Buddhist leader whose followers have no priests, no temples, a kind of Blue Jean Buddhism, (1)
Matter of fact, a leader must self-examine to avoid straying from the role as servant/mentor to others and one's self.(2)
(1) https://daisakuikedalegacy.org/wordpress/quotes-top-leaders-are-servants/
(2) https://www.freebuddhistaudio.com/texts/read?num=146&p=1
whathehell
(30,452 posts)of those privileges, so what you speak of might more accurately be viewed as the 'curse of Womankind'.
MustLoveBeagles
(16,053 posts)usedtobedemgurl
(2,022 posts)Could I please ask for a trigger warning. Reading that really put me in a bad place.


