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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow can the complete destruction of the Gulf's oil and water infrastructure be avoided?
Negotiations are intractable.
If a hot war erupts again, Iran said it will hit those targets
If the blockade continues indefinitely (at the cost of the world economy), at some point Iran's cohesive existence will be untenable and the military will have nothing to lose, and will hit those targets.
It seems this is an insoluble situation.
Melon
(1,682 posts)Doesnt seem to be building any regional support. I would expect at some point Saudi Qatar and UAE to also use their military against Iran if the continue being attacked.
SamuelTheThird
(1,251 posts)Melon
(1,682 posts)Thats my point. If Iran does that the gloves are off from the neighbors. Iran has that exact same infrastructure.
SamuelTheThird
(1,251 posts)ie Compare how much water Saudi Arabia derives from desalinization versus Iran
EX500rider
(12,768 posts)Melon
(1,682 posts)Iran is in a far worse situation if their infrastructure were targeted.
SamuelTheThird
(1,251 posts)I think (correct me if I'm wrong) you're implying that Iran would not decimate the oil and desalinization infrastructure out of fear of something equivalent done to them. The evidence suggests this is woefully mistaken. Iran already made significant attacks against Gulf infrastructure*, and if they are cornered, their pride and religious apocalyptism will impell them to go full bore.
* https://www.france24.com/en/france-confirms-oil-crisis-says-30-40-gulf-energy-infrastructure-destroyed
Melon
(1,682 posts)I agree. They are religious apocalyptic crazies. Its been held over our heads for decades and the entire region. They are cornered. End it completely or we will be in the same spot 7 years from now. They are terrorizing that region and laying claim to international waters. They wont ever change unless forced.
SamuelTheThird
(1,251 posts)Be very specific, because what you're calling for is 100,000s of troops on Iranian soil and a worse situation than Iraq or Afghanistan for them.
More conventional bombing won't work
Maybe you want nukes used?
Melon
(1,682 posts)They need to be dealt with. I dont believe that is 100,000 troops on the ground. Like a man, they cant hold their breath forever. They have zero income and a populace that was rioting prior to the conflict. I was not calling for war, but if we are in it, then finish it. Dont leave the issue for the next president or further bolden them by capitulating that they have any right to the straights themselves.
SamuelTheThird
(1,251 posts)But regardless...as I pointed out, if Iran's military feel they are going to be eliminated/out of power they are likely to launch an all-out assault on the gulf's infrastructure. The impact of that would be unimaginable. And there's nothing the US can do about that.
How can they be dealt with, specifically? Bomb- doesn't work, Full on war- theyll launch against the gulf states, Economic strangulation- they'll attack the gulf states before they implode
PufPuf23
(9,942 posts)The USA has greatly damaged our position in the ME, Israel not so much.
Israel gets giddy at idea of Arabs fighting Arabs or Persians fighting Arabs.
efhmc
(16,977 posts)put it off a while? Thanks. I already paid a good size down payment.
leftstreet
(41,245 posts)Gaza
Lebanon
That'd be a nice start. Iran has made their demands pretty clear
EX500rider
(12,768 posts)Countries that aren't even allies with Israel?
Not sure that scares Israel too much.
LetMyPeopleVote
(181,969 posts)Secret new assessments say Iran has operational access to 30 of its 33 missile sites along the Strait of Hormuz, suggesting that its military remains far stronger than President Trump has asserted.
Link to tweet
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/12/us/politics/iran-missiles-us-intelligence.html?unlocked_article_code=1.h1A.lLIv.YeCzsv8a1hFI&smid=tw-share
Most alarming to some senior officials is evidence that Iran has restored operational access to 30 of the 33 missile sites it maintains along the Strait of Hormuz, which could threaten American warships and oil tankers transiting the narrow waterway.
People with knowledge of the assessments said they show to varying degrees, depending on the level of damage incurred at the different sites that the Iranians can use mobile launchers that are inside the sites to move missiles to other locations. In some cases they can launch missiles directly from launchpads that are part of the facilities. Only three of the missile sites along the strait remain totally inaccessible, according to the assessments.
Iran still fields about 70 percent of its mobile launchers across the country and has retained roughly 70 percent of its prewar missile stockpile, according to the assessments. That stockpile encompasses both ballistic missiles, which can target other nations in the region, and a smaller supply of cruise missiles, which can be used against shorter-range targets on land or at sea.
Military intelligence agencies have also reported, based on information from multiple collection streams including satellite imagery and other surveillance technologies, that Iran has regained access to roughly 90 percent of its underground missile storage and launch facilities nationwide, which are now assessed to be partially or fully operational, the people with knowledge of the assessments said.....
The findings underscore the dilemma Mr. Trump would face if the fragile month-old cease-fire in the conflict collapses and full-scale fighting resumes. The U.S. military has already depleted its stocks of many critical munitions, including Tomahawk cruise missiles, Patriot interceptor missiles, and Precision Strike and ATACMS ground-based missiles, and yet the intelligence suggests that Iran retains considerable military capability, including around the vital Strait of Hormuz......
But Irans apparent ability to retain substantial military capacity has exacerbated concerns among U.S. allies about the wisdom of the war and generated criticism among Mr. Trumps anti-interventionist supporters who opposed getting into the conflict in the first place.
Iran has the military capacity to keep the Strait of Hormuz closed and if necessary destroy all of the petroleum and other infrastructure of our Gulf allies.