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ificandream

(11,194 posts)
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:03 PM Saturday

US has struck three Iranian nuclear sites, Trump says, joining Israeli air campaign

Source: Associated Press

By AAMER MADHANI, DAVID RISING and SAM MEDNICK
Updated 4:57 PM PDT, June 21, 2025
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Donald Trump said Saturday that the U.S. military struck three sites in Iran, directly joining Israel 's effort to decapitate the country's nuclear program in a risky gambit to weaken a longtime foe amid Tehran's threat of reprisals that could spark a wider regional conflict.

The decision to directly involve the U.S. comes after more than a week of strikes by Israel on Iran that have moved to systematically eradicate the country's air defenses and offensive missile capabilities, while damaging its nuclear enrichment facilities. But U.S. and Israeli officials have said that American stealth bombers and a 30,000-lb. bunker buster bomb they alone can carry offered the best chance of destroying heavily-fortified sites connected to the Iranian nuclear program buried deep underground.

"We have completed our very successful attack on the three Nuclear sites in Iran, including Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan," Trump said in a post on social media. "All planes are now outside of Iran air space. A full payload of BOMBS was dropped on the primary site, Fordow. All planes are safely on their way home."

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/israel-iran-war-nuclear-talks-geneva-news-06-21-2025-a7b0cdaba28b5817467ccf712d214579



Something these idiots have wanted for a long, long time.

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US has struck three Iranian nuclear sites, Trump says, joining Israeli air campaign (Original Post) ificandream Saturday OP
Oh, fuck me, MarineCombatEngineer Saturday #1
FUCK YOU BIBI AND TRUMP!!!!!!! 50 Shades Of Blue Saturday #2
And we again get sucked into another pointless war. sakabatou Saturday #3
Yup, the Warmonger-in-Chief is out of control... that fuck is going to get us all killed!! InAbLuEsTaTe Saturday #67
Did anyone expect anything else? quakerboy Saturday #4
Post removed Post removed Saturday #5
More Richard D Saturday #7
So do you think Iran is just going to roll over and give up? hamsterjill Saturday #18
We will see Richard D Saturday #31
That sounds way too optimistic to me. hamsterjill Saturday #32
We will see . . . Richard D Saturday #36
I pray we don't have suicide bombers in the middle of crowded areas in the United States. hamsterjill Saturday #89
When did they have a democratic Iran? BlueTsunami2018 Saturday #37
We'll see. Richard D Saturday #39
LOL Skittles Yesterday #118
They were briefly a democracy after WWII FBaggins Saturday #42
Before the US overthrew Mossadegh in 1953 iemanja Saturday #101
This just gives the people of Iran another reason to hate the US. Lonestarblue Saturday #80
This is from an actual person of Iran . . . Richard D Saturday #87
Link please hamsterjill Saturday #91
Yeah this smells Hornedfrog2000 Saturday #108
You're dreaming. LudwigPastorius Saturday #90
We will see graycampervan Saturday #99
We will see graycampervan Saturday #100
You post like this is your job Hornedfrog2000 Saturday #109
you noticed that too? Skittles Yesterday #119
Yeah, he comes across like another Likud shill. Crowman2009 9 hrs ago #128
What if it is true that they moved the centrifuges elsewhere and... Justice matters. Saturday #97
If that truly happened COL Mustard Saturday #44
My understanding as of this moment . . . Richard D Saturday #46
In that case I will say this is not a bad thing. COL Mustard Saturday #52
Let us hope . . . Richard D Saturday #56
This message was self-deleted by its author COL Mustard Saturday #76
That's from six months ago in Syria FBaggins Saturday #85
Thanks. Like I said, unconfirmed... COL Mustard Saturday #93
Pro Trump, Pro War bullshit. ForgoTheConsequence Saturday #62
Even a broken clock . . . Richard D Saturday #63
You trust a dementia riddled fascist with war. ForgoTheConsequence Saturday #64
We'll see... Richard D Saturday #75
Give me one example where this has worked out. ForgoTheConsequence Saturday #77
Syria? speak easy Saturday #102
Do tell. You told a poster on DU that they are "not one of us" Abolishinist Saturday #79
If you trust Donald Trump and take him at his word, you're on the wrong side. ForgoTheConsequence Saturday #81
"If you trust Donald Trump and take him at his word, you're on the wrong side" Abolishinist Saturday #103
They were free. ForgoTheConsequence Saturday #110
Trust me on this, nothing you or others post can give me a 'sad', whatever that means. Abolishinist 6 hrs ago #130
I'm glad you save your outrage for Bill Maher criticisms. ForgoTheConsequence 15 min ago #131
Wouldn't be surprised if he's a Michael Savage fan. Crowman2009 9 hrs ago #129
Yup... impeach that prick now for violating the War Powers Act!! InAbLuEsTaTe Saturday #69
Another war we can't win. PSPS Saturday #6
Otoh Richard D Saturday #8
If I recall, wasn't Iraq Balatro Saturday #12
Nobody with an ounce of brain matter is claiming that Iranians will greet us as liberators, MarineCombatEngineer Saturday #25
Bombs cannot destroy knowledge Deminpenn Saturday #14
Of course not . . . Richard D Saturday #17
Naive Deminpenn Yesterday #116
Fordow, I believe Richard D Saturday #20
I'm not entirely opposed to this action Red Mountain Saturday #29
But every US asset in the world, including here in the US, will be considered a legitimate target ... 4th Saturday #34
THIS!! 👆 InAbLuEsTaTe Saturday #70
Yeah but it'll keep MorbidButterflyTat Saturday #113
So....how did he do this without Congress? FarPoint Saturday #9
Same idea as this purple_haze Saturday #13
Enjoy those gas prices! orangecrush Saturday #43
I ride a bike most days purple_haze Saturday #48
They are likely to climb - but possibly not too much FBaggins Saturday #78
Going after Sadam involved over 100k american troops and years of commitment FBaggins Saturday #47
Presidents get something like 48 hours COL Mustard Saturday #49
The same happened when Obama bombed Libya OnlinePoker Saturday #112
If you want to keep it secret COL Mustard Yesterday #121
A sick and demented stupid asshole. Basso8vb Saturday #10
How many days until U.S. boots are on the ground in Iran? Paladin Saturday #11
Well, my daughter's neighbors are avid Trumpers. hamsterjill Saturday #15
Oh, I really hope her son is deployed. ificandream Saturday #19
I don't want anyone's son or daughter to die. But... hamsterjill Saturday #22
Not many Bayard Saturday #50
The peace President my ass. Buddyzbuddy Saturday #16
OK, Trump is telling us that this will not escalate. ananda Saturday #21
I knew we were in a real mess earlier today when Trump said... Miles Archer Saturday #26
And we all know he has no impulse control! ananda Saturday #33
Like I said up post - hamsterjill Saturday #27
It's only this "easy" because the hard parts were already done FBaggins Saturday #55
Sometimes when you unleash the dogs of war COL Mustard Saturday #28
I guess we're in the shit now. COL Mustard Saturday #23
BIG TIME!! InAbLuEsTaTe Saturday #71
There goes the news cycle BumRushDaShow Saturday #24
How do we know it was "very successful"? NowsTheTime Saturday #30
Are these dummy sites? ananda Saturday #35
I may not believe what comes out of Trump's mouth onenote Saturday #53
Good thinking. ananda Saturday #60
So they admit they have highly refined uranium. Mosby Saturday #96
Dog the Wag...? Montauk6 Saturday #38
What about the rest of the Middle East? lindalou65 Saturday #40
"The rest of the Middle East" is not a unified bloc FBaggins Saturday #58
"Will they just sit by and do nothing after this strike on Iran?" The Persians & the Arabs are not allies. EX500rider Yesterday #125
I've got a bad feeling about this. MustBeTheBooz Saturday #41
I see a whole bunch of democrats supporting this lawless act of war without congressional authority. Balatro Saturday #45
The LAST thing anyone in this country needs right now under these fucking fascists. Karasu Saturday #51
Yep MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #114
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Yesterday #120
We are now in a state of war with 93,000,000 Iranians and Tarzanrock Saturday #54
Their leadership D00ver66 Saturday #57
What a FUCKING MESS!! WWIII !! All because ISRAEL WOULD NOT let the PALESTINIANS have their OWN STATE!! Exp Saturday #59
"You fell for it again" True Dough Saturday #61
Putin won't like that. Iran is one of EllieBC Saturday #65
Putin has been upset for some time now FBaggins Saturday #74
Yup. No one seemed to be talking about EllieBC Saturday #82
On the other hand, it will likely drive up the price of oil and gas muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #123
Well, I guess the "Big Beautiful Bill" will sail right through now... Woodycall Saturday #66
Yup, Wag the Dog works most every time. FailureToCommunicate Saturday #73
If the Republican Congress approves TraitorTrump's Draft Miami Blue Saturday #68
Just what the end times cultists ordered Zorro Saturday #72
from a 5 time draft dogder . also in the voice of another dispicable , unforgivale prior pres, AllaN01Bear Saturday #83
This will NOT end well. Ford_Prefect Saturday #84
Idiots Hekate Saturday #86
So can we expect airplane hijackers MorbidButterflyTat Saturday #88
End Times a-comin'! Pinback Saturday #92
Illegal SpankMe Saturday #94
Republicans always start wars in the Middle East, at least lately. totodeinhere Saturday #95
So can the "Jacked General" retire now? chowder66 Saturday #98
Well at least we're not talking about Buddyzbuddy Saturday #104
It's unbelievable!! We are led by am idiot!!! Pisces Saturday #105
The US had about 20 Bunker Buster bombs, and we used 6 of them in this one attack. SunSeeker Saturday #106
Hope DoD did a logistics Deminpenn Yesterday #117
Apparently they used 14 of them FBaggins Yesterday #124
The bunker buster cost over $500 million for the US Army to develop. SunSeeker Yesterday #126
Next step a false flag strike on a blue area IbogaProject Saturday #107
Another distraction from BidenRocks Saturday #111
I guess he means Iranian air space, but that's the Donny. Firestorm49 Yesterday #115
MCCAIN SANG IT FIRST YoshidaYui Yesterday #122
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Grand Illuminist 13 hrs ago #127

InAbLuEsTaTe

(25,253 posts)
67. Yup, the Warmonger-in-Chief is out of control... that fuck is going to get us all killed!!
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:37 PM
Saturday

Impeach that Ahole NOW!!

quakerboy

(14,400 posts)
4. Did anyone expect anything else?
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:16 PM
Saturday

Let me know if we bomb the drone manufacturing, then id be surprised.

Oil on the other hand, seems like it will be on the target list

Response to ificandream (Original post)

Richard D

(9,986 posts)
7. More
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:18 PM
Saturday

🚨 BREAKING: U.S. STRIKES IRANIAN NUCLEAR SITES IN COORDINATION WITH ISRAEL; FORDOW HIT WITH 14-TON GBU-57 BOMBS; TRUMP DECLARES MISSION A SUCCESS AND CALLS FOR PEACE

🕒 June 22, 2025 | 3:00 AM (Israel Time)

💥 In a stunning military operation, the United States, in coordination with Israel, launched a successful strike on three major nuclear sites in Iran — Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan. President Trump confirmed the mission Saturday night, stating: "We have completed our very successful attack on the three Nuclear sites in Iran, including Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan. All planes are now outside of Iran air space. A full payload of BOMBS was dropped on the primary site, Fordow. All planes are safely on their way home. Congratulations to our great American Warriors. There is not another military in the World that could have done this. NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE!"

💣 Multiple 14-ton GBU-57 bunker-buster bombs were deployed on the Fordow underground nuclear facility. The scale and precision of the attack point to a meticulously planned operation designed to neutralize Iran’s nuclear advancement capabilities.

⚠️ According to defense sources, U.S. bases throughout West Asia were placed on full high alert ahead of the operation. Israel was reportedly briefed in advance and fully coordinated with the U.S. to avoid any regional miscommunication or escalation.

✈️ Military analysts suggest that the B-2 bombers spotted en route to Guam may have served as a diversion, while the actual strike likely involved B-52s from Diego Garcia — or potentially additional stealth B-2 units executing the high-impact assault.

🇮🇱 The joint nature of this operation reflects deepened military collaboration between the U.S. and Israel in confronting Iran’s nuclear threat — with significant implications for regional security, deterrence, and diplomacy moving forward.


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hamsterjill

(16,046 posts)
18. So do you think Iran is just going to roll over and give up?
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:33 PM
Saturday

If it was all THIS easy, it would have been done a long time ago.

I'm not trying to argue with you. Foreign policy isn't my interest nor my forte', but this just seems way too convenient.

Richard D

(9,986 posts)
31. We will see
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:40 PM
Saturday

. . . the hope is that this will give the people of Iran the momentum to overthrow the Islamic Republic and re-create a democratic Iran.

hamsterjill

(16,046 posts)
32. That sounds way too optimistic to me.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:41 PM
Saturday

As you said, we will see.

Sure sounds like you approve of what Trump just did. Got any sons in the military?

Richard D

(9,986 posts)
36. We will see . . .
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:48 PM
Saturday

. . . and this will not turn into a ground war. There was one objective: to destroy Iran's nuclear program. Destroying it is a great thing. Really amazingly great.

The rule by Mullahs as to go. That will be up to the people of Iran. I pray it'll happen as it will be a different Middle East.

hamsterjill

(16,046 posts)
89. I pray we don't have suicide bombers in the middle of crowded areas in the United States.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 10:06 PM
Saturday

n/t

BlueTsunami2018

(4,447 posts)
37. When did they have a democratic Iran?
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:51 PM
Saturday

These people are theocrats.
The Shah was a dictator.
Before that they were a monarchy.

Richard D

(9,986 posts)
39. We'll see.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:59 PM
Saturday

The hope is for a democratic monarchy, I think. IDK. It can't be worse than it is now.

FBaggins

(28,147 posts)
42. They were briefly a democracy after WWII
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:03 PM
Saturday

The CIA-backed coup that set up the Shah replaced it

iemanja

(56,135 posts)
101. Before the US overthrew Mossadegh in 1953
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 11:08 PM
Saturday

The US installed and propped up the Shah. Pretending there is something intrinsically theocratic about the Iranian people is uninformed. Surely, you've seen the mass protests in the streets of Iran.

Lonestarblue

(12,701 posts)
80. This just gives the people of Iran another reason to hate the US.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:54 PM
Saturday

They may not be able to retaliate tomorrow, but they have long memories and the US is likely to pay a price at some point.

Richard D

(9,986 posts)
87. This is from an actual person of Iran . . .
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 10:01 PM
Saturday

TIOLI . . .

Dear progressive friends, please stop your puritan virtue signaling on behalf of the Iranian people.
If you care, get educated on our history and culture, instead of repeating uninformed leftist talking points.
Where have you been for the past 47 years?
Where was your outcry when 30,000 Iranians were executed in sham trails in 1979?
Where were you when your tax dollars funded 8 years of war? I spent the first 8 years of my life under the rocket attacks of a war you funded for years.
Where were you when my classmates were thrown from their dorm windows to their death during student protests of 1999?
Where was your outrage when the regime slaughtered 1500 protestors over 3 days in 2019?
Where was your outrage during the Woman, Life, Freedom movement when 550+ people were killed (many children) and many more disappeared, imprisoned, and sentenced to death?
Where were you when they released poisoned gas into girls schools to silence their chants against the regime in 2022?
I never felt more isolated in my suffering than to have witnessed your silence then so spare me your outrage. It’s not authentic nor welcomed.
Why is it that you selectively ignore and minimize the crimes of the Islamist regimes against their own people while raging against Israel?
I’m no fan of Netanyahu, I think he is a war criminal, BUT, make no mistake, the cause of this war and the suffering of my people is the ISLAMIC REPUBLIC and its gross ideology of hatred and martyrdom.
To say that “Iran has the right to develop nuclear weapons” isn’t that different than advocating for the Nazis to have nuclear weapons. To be clear, I believe NO ONE should have nuclear weapons but especially not a murderous regime.
We don’t need your virtue signaling, we need your understanding and education. I see so many Americans with no knowledge of Middle East expressing their opinions here as a fact. It will do you all good to speak to those of us who grew up under this regime.
Equating Iran with Iraq or Syria is profoundly misinformed. Westerners seem to imagine that all of Middle East is the same but nothing could be further away from truth. We are a complex country with a rich history, pride, grit, and resources.
While neither the US, nor Israel is the savior of the Iranian people, there is no denying that this mess is possibly the strongest opportunity we’ve ever had to get rid of this regime.
My heart aches to witness my hometown in rubbles, my people driven from their homes in droves, children killed, homes destroyed… but ask us who we hold accountable and you’ll discover a strong consensus and moral clarity amongst Iranians: we wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for the murderous Iranian regime and their hateful policies and proxy wars all over Middle East.
Do I know what will happen next? Absolutely not! Do I trust the US and Israel to let us choose our own destiny? You have got to be kidding me! Of course not!
What do I know? THIS > NOTHING will ever change in Iran or the Middle East, until these occupying Islamic extremist lunatics are out of the picture.
The pain and torture they perpetrate upon my people is unfathomable! Anytime a dictator is eliminated, that’s a positive outcome albeit at a great cost.
I’m not happy that this war is happening but I’m hopeful that this can end the tyranny of the Ayatollah and bring an end to the consistent infliction of pain, torture, and executions upon our precious and beautiful country and people.
One day soon, I shall dance in the streets of Tehran with so many of you who have asked me to take you there.

hamsterjill

(16,046 posts)
91. Link please
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 10:09 PM
Saturday

I noticed you didn't provide a link in a post up thread. I thought we had to provide those when copying information onto DU????

Crowman2009

(3,145 posts)
128. Yeah, he comes across like another Likud shill.
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 12:06 PM
9 hrs ago

One time he threw a shitfit when I informed him that the Israeli football club he made out to be victims (Maccabi Tel Aviv F.C.) has a long history of instigating hooligan violence, even in Israel.

Justice matters.

(8,492 posts)
97. What if it is true that they moved the centrifuges elsewhere and...
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 10:34 PM
Saturday

and that all of them are intact in a secret location?

Tunnels can go in all directions, more likely far than near...

If that is true, they really made the orange liar and his drunk sexual assaulter look as stupid as they are.

COL Mustard

(7,444 posts)
44. If that truly happened
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:06 PM
Saturday

It would indeed be a good thing. If we only pissed of Iran, we will certainly have retaliation.

Richard D

(9,986 posts)
46. My understanding as of this moment . . .
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:08 PM
Saturday

. . . is that the three nuclear weapons production sites are no more.

Response to Richard D (Reply #46)

Richard D

(9,986 posts)
75. We'll see...
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:48 PM
Saturday

... And won't it just suck if the mullahs are overthrown and Iran joins the 21st century... I'm personally far from more comfortable with a non nuclear Iran in any case.

ForgoTheConsequence

(5,038 posts)
77. Give me one example where this has worked out.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:50 PM
Saturday

Iraq, Syria, Libya.

I'll wait...

Meanwhile, "we'll see" isn't good enough. Trump has been wrong about everything, and you trust him with war? Give me a fucking break.

Abolishinist

(2,599 posts)
79. Do tell. You told a poster on DU that they are "not one of us"
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:52 PM
Saturday

Please provide a definition or some guidelines for being one of "us".

ForgoTheConsequence

(5,038 posts)
81. If you trust Donald Trump and take him at his word, you're on the wrong side.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:55 PM
Saturday

Plain and simple. Truth hurts. Hakeem Jefferies has made a statement: I stand with the Minority Leader, not the Republican establishment.

I know you have a sad because I made fun of Bill Maher, but now isn't the time to play annoying contrarian.

Abolishinist

(2,599 posts)
103. "If you trust Donald Trump and take him at his word, you're on the wrong side"
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 11:29 PM
Saturday

Nothing I said indicates I 'trust' tRump... unequivocally I do not.

That being said, I don't necessarily disagree with this action. I live in San Diego, we have a fairly large Iranian population. From time to time I shop at a middle-eastern grocer that is owned by Iranians - they have a permanent sign outside the entrance that says "Free Iran". Also some great breads and cheeses that are hard to find elsewhere, especially Halloumi (I've a great recipe for Halloumi tacos, let me know and I'll send it to you). I support their wishes for a number of reasons. Iran CANNOT be allowed to have a nuclear weapon... period, comma, out. So if this works, so be it. There's no clear choice to achieve this.

ForgoTheConsequence

(5,038 posts)
110. They were free.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 11:46 PM
Saturday

Until we got involved in 1953. Power vacuums tend to make things worse. If anything, it will unite the Iranian people against us.

Abolishinist

(2,599 posts)
130. Trust me on this, nothing you or others post can give me a 'sad', whatever that means.
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 04:02 PM
6 hrs ago

I do find it rather disgusting that the Fuck Bill Maher crowd takes it upon themselves to show up on Rhiannon's weekly post informing us of who will be on his show. She is an extremely nice person, I've never seen her express anger at anyone on this site, who contributes a lot to DU by posting dozens of videos on a weekly basis, and also serves on MIRT.

You don't like Bill Maher? Fine, I understand, don't watch. But what is the point of disrupting her OP each week with the typical hit and run? To me its childish.

ForgoTheConsequence

(5,038 posts)
131. I'm glad you save your outrage for Bill Maher criticisms.
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 09:49 PM
15 min ago

And not the genocide happening in Gaza or the illegal bombing of Iran. Interesting takes.

Crowman2009

(3,145 posts)
129. Wouldn't be surprised if he's a Michael Savage fan.
Mon Jun 23, 2025, 12:08 PM
9 hrs ago

Notice how he's never made any post criticizing of the Israeli government, as if everything they do is infallible.

PSPS

(14,623 posts)
6. Another war we can't win.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:18 PM
Saturday

But every US asset in the world, including here in the US, will be considered a legitimate target, thanks to MAGA

 

Balatro

(51 posts)
12. If I recall, wasn't Iraq
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:25 PM
Saturday

supposed to greet us as "liberators" and was only supposed to last weeks?

MarineCombatEngineer

(15,782 posts)
25. Nobody with an ounce of brain matter is claiming that Iranians will greet us as liberators,
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:37 PM
Saturday

there is no, AFAIK, plan to put combat forces on the ground inside Iran, anyone who tries that will get decimated, rightfully so.

Richard D

(9,986 posts)
17. Of course not . . .
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:32 PM
Saturday

. . . Israel already took out their main nuclear scientists.

And, this will at least set their programs back a decade, hopefully enough time (way more than enough time) for a new democratic Iran to arise. I'm putting on my dancing shoes.

Red Mountain

(2,113 posts)
29. I'm not entirely opposed to this action
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:39 PM
Saturday

the Iranians have been bad actors in the region for far too long.

But we haven't 'won' anything by dropping a few bombs.

We just knowingly ripped the top off the ME, AGAIN.

What we did to Iraq created chaos and mass death the reverberations of which continued until the latest gong hit.

Will Russia and China allow their client state to be dominated and destroyed piecemeal?

The Iranians aren't finished by any stretch of the imagination.

4th

(302 posts)
34. But every US asset in the world, including here in the US, will be considered a legitimate target ...
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:43 PM
Saturday

Yes, but it was already.

MorbidButterflyTat

(3,180 posts)
113. Yeah but it'll keep
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 11:54 PM
Saturday

the military entertainment industrial complex and the contractors fat and happy. As always.

FarPoint

(14,051 posts)
9. So....how did he do this without Congress?
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:21 PM
Saturday

Even GW Bush went thru Congress to go after Sadam...😳

FBaggins

(28,147 posts)
78. They are likely to climb - but possibly not too much
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:51 PM
Saturday

OPEC's surplus capacity exceeds Iran's production - and many members would be more than happy to rake in the extra cash

FBaggins

(28,147 posts)
47. Going after Sadam involved over 100k american troops and years of commitment
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:10 PM
Saturday

Presidents have been given authority to use the military for a limited period of time before Congress has to weigh in... but Iraq was dramatically larger than that and lasted for years. Congress had to fund it.

The may not last nearly long enough to require a Congressional vote - though Trump may seek one if polling is favorable.

COL Mustard

(7,444 posts)
49. Presidents get something like 48 hours
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:11 PM
Saturday

Under WPA before they have to notify Congress. I imagine he'll do that as part of the 10:00 address that I won't watch.

OnlinePoker

(5,978 posts)
112. The same happened when Obama bombed Libya
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 11:46 PM
Saturday

He only informed the speaker after it happened.

COL Mustard

(7,444 posts)
121. If you want to keep it secret
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 04:20 AM
Yesterday

You don’t tell anyone until after it’s done. In this case, I don’t blame him. The House leaks like a sieve.

Of course, so does Hegseth but that’s another story.

Paladin

(30,811 posts)
11. How many days until U.S. boots are on the ground in Iran?
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:23 PM
Saturday

Jesus, the things trump will resort to, when he sees his approval ratings going down the toilet.

What the fuck do we DO about this shit?

hamsterjill

(16,046 posts)
15. Well, my daughter's neighbors are avid Trumpers.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:28 PM
Saturday

Fly the flag and everything. The neighbor was just texting my daughter saying she's worried about her son being deployed.

It will be someone's son, and hers is no different. That's what they voted voted for.

ificandream

(11,194 posts)
19. Oh, I really hope her son is deployed.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:33 PM
Saturday

Not sure it'll change her mind about Trump, but it'll shake her up. A good thing.

hamsterjill

(16,046 posts)
22. I don't want anyone's son or daughter to die. But...
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:36 PM
Saturday

Like I said in the post - it's going to be someone's son, and hers should not be any different than anyone else's son or daughter.

That is the extent of the compassion that I can muster. They wanted this shit and they dragged us all along into the suffering. So, therefore, when the real suffering starts, they will NOT be exempt if I have anything to say about it.

Bayard

(25,592 posts)
50. Not many
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:11 PM
Saturday

This is trump's response to protests and dismal polling here in the U.S. Yay rah US of A! A War President, weapons of mass destruction, yada yada yada.

If we weren't in deep shit before, we're underneath the basement now. He's been drooling over bombing somebody for a long time.

Buddyzbuddy

(1,052 posts)
16. The peace President my ass.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:31 PM
Saturday

Just as soon as he eliminates Muslims.
Saudi, Qatar, Pakistan meet the devil you've chosen to make deals with. He's gonna want some action tonight, run Melania, run.

ananda

(32,361 posts)
21. OK, Trump is telling us that this will not escalate.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:33 PM
Saturday

Does anyone believe this?

The Houthis have already promised to attack ships
in the Red Sea.

I think we are in a real mess.

Miles Archer

(19,731 posts)
26. I knew we were in a real mess earlier today when Trump said...
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:37 PM
Saturday

...that he couldn't tell Netanyahu to back off because "It's very hard to do that when they're winning."

Too lazy to go back and find the link...I'm sure it's been posted on DU elsewhere...trust me, Trump said that, and in the context I provided.

hamsterjill

(16,046 posts)
27. Like I said up post -
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:37 PM
Saturday

If it was this easy, it would have been done eons ago. I don't think it could possibly be this easy.

FBaggins

(28,147 posts)
55. It's only this "easy" because the hard parts were already done
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:17 PM
Saturday

If someone had tried this five years ago, the firestorm would include Hezbolah, Hamas, the Houthis, and likely with Russian support.

But Russia needs more from their client than they can themselves provide... and Iran's clients have largely been defanged. Then Israel's week of pounding was devastating to Iran's conventional military. "This" only became "easy" after all of that.

COL Mustard

(7,444 posts)
23. I guess we're in the shit now.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:36 PM
Saturday

I think it just got real,, real fast. You know the Iranians will respond.

ananda

(32,361 posts)
35. Are these dummy sites?
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:45 PM
Saturday

Has Iran already moved the sites knowing how
crazy Bibi and Trump are?k

BBC reports that the sites have already been evacuated.

Iran says nuclear sites had already been evacuated.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/ckg3rzj8emjt

We have now got our first reaction from Iran.

The deputy political director of Iran’s state broadcaster, Hassan Abedini, has appeared live on state TV just now.

He says Iran evacuated these three nuclear sites a “while ago”.

He also says that even if what Trump says is true, Iran “didn’t suffer a major blow because the materials had already been taken out”.

onenote

(45,355 posts)
53. I may not believe what comes out of Trump's mouth
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:16 PM
Saturday

But I also don’t believe what comes out of an Iranian spokesperson.

Mosby

(18,703 posts)
96. So they admit they have highly refined uranium.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 10:31 PM
Saturday

Which is only used for nuclear weapons.

lindalou65

(338 posts)
40. What about the rest of the Middle East?
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:01 PM
Saturday

Will they just sit by and do nothing after this strike on Iran? I think not. We will see.

FBaggins

(28,147 posts)
58. "The rest of the Middle East" is not a unified bloc
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:21 PM
Saturday

Keep in mind that most of the Middle East does not like Iran at all.

They may indeed "sit by and do nothing"... but it's also possible that they will assist with the collapse of the current regime now that a nuclear Iran is off the table, their client terrorist orgs are defanged, and Russia is unable to provide support.

EX500rider

(11,908 posts)
125. "Will they just sit by and do nothing after this strike on Iran?" The Persians & the Arabs are not allies.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 11:19 AM
Yesterday
 

Balatro

(51 posts)
45. I see a whole bunch of democrats supporting this lawless act of war without congressional authority.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:07 PM
Saturday

Its disheartening and feels like Deja Vu.

Karasu

(1,421 posts)
51. The LAST thing anyone in this country needs right now under these fucking fascists.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:15 PM
Saturday

The good old Republican "Look over there!" strategy never fails. They are fucking one-trick ponies. Can't have them in charge WITHOUT being dragged into some stupid-ass war in the Middle East. It comes with the fucking territory.

Response to Karasu (Reply #51)

Tarzanrock

(1,112 posts)
54. We are now in a state of war with 93,000,000 Iranians and
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:16 PM
Saturday

1,900,000,000 Muslims. Convince me how today's US military attack on Iran is different than the Japan's December 7, 1941 military attack on Pearl Harbor which President Roosevelt said was a day which would live in infamy!

D00ver66

(10 posts)
57. Their leadership
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:17 PM
Saturday

Iran’s leadership knew this was coming and they have moved anything including people that are important to their nuclear program. The only thing Trump has done as activated terrorism cells around the world to cause damage and death to western civilization. Another brilliant Trump move. My guess is we will see what they (Iran) are going to do in two weeks.

Exp

(408 posts)
59. What a FUCKING MESS!! WWIII !! All because ISRAEL WOULD NOT let the PALESTINIANS have their OWN STATE!!
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:23 PM
Saturday

FUCK THEM ALL !!!

YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE !!!

FBaggins

(28,147 posts)
74. Putin has been upset for some time now
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:47 PM
Saturday

Iran was the primary supplier of the drones Russia was using in Ukraine. Israel's initial attacks devastated that production capacity.

EllieBC

(3,478 posts)
82. Yup. No one seemed to be talking about
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:58 PM
Saturday

it much around here. Thinking about how intertwined Iran and Russia are can be uncomfortable sometimes for some people.

Anyway, I’m glad that should put a halt to the supply for a bit.

muriel_volestrangler

(103,951 posts)
123. On the other hand, it will likely drive up the price of oil and gas
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 05:41 AM
Yesterday

which does help Putin.

Miami Blue

(309 posts)
68. If the Republican Congress approves TraitorTrump's Draft
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 09:39 PM
Saturday

Let’s send first TraitorTrump’s very special son
to a ground war in Iran.
I doubt that the Mama’s boy can handle it.
Mati, Mati
Na Pomoč!
Waaaaah
Waaaaah

AllaN01Bear

(25,798 posts)
83. from a 5 time draft dogder . also in the voice of another dispicable , unforgivale prior pres,
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 10:00 PM
Saturday

ronald raygun," we have to punish iran. always punish iran, esp after they disposed our fair hjair boy the shah.

MorbidButterflyTat

(3,180 posts)
88. So can we expect airplane hijackers
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 10:01 PM
Saturday

with boxcutters destroying various parts of US cities? Or worse?

This asshole!!!!

SpankMe

(3,500 posts)
94. Illegal
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 10:30 PM
Saturday

The executive may only take military action if authorized by congress or if there is an attack or pending attack against the US. Iran did not attack the US, nor threaten to attack. Nothing within the country of Iran, nor within their recent behaviors, indicates a design against the US.

The war powers act doesn't attach, here. At lease GW Bush got AUMF from congress. Trump has nothing.

The US doesn't do pre-emptive military strikes.

Now, Iran has cause to attack the US. Knowing the asshole state of Iran's facilitation of terrorism, we're in for a tough time. When they attack, we won't be able to point to Trump's attack as a provocation. Instead, we'll be accused of coddling terrorists. We don't have a lot to work with, here.

totodeinhere

(13,626 posts)
95. Republicans always start wars in the Middle East, at least lately.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 10:31 PM
Saturday

Eisenhower actually helped to stop a war in the region. But since then they have started wars. Shrub caused a lot of human suffering with his wars. And now this.

Buddyzbuddy

(1,052 posts)
104. Well at least we're not talking about
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 11:31 PM
Saturday

Ice abuses, immigration, tariffs, the economy, Sec. Kegsbreath, Ice Ice Barbie, the Big plundering bill, arrests of Democrats, the embarrassment of the Felon at the G7,or the assaulter of couches heavy eyeliner, or golden cell phones, or...........

FBaggins

(28,147 posts)
124. Apparently they used 14 of them
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 08:27 AM
Yesterday

(According to the pentagon briefing this morning)

OTOH - all we really know is that there were “at least” twenty of them a decade ago. We may find that the classified number is much higher (as with our carriers’ top speed being “above 30 knots” and submarines’ max depth being “over 1,000 feet”).

Either way - they aren’t remarkably expensive or difficult to product. Replacing a carrier, submarine, or B-2 would take years… but if these were effective and worth replacing - it won’t be much of a challenge

SunSeeker

(56,041 posts)
126. The bunker buster cost over $500 million for the US Army to develop.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 07:33 PM
Yesterday

So I wouldn't say they were easy nor cheap to produce. Replacements should be cheaper, but with the Pentagon, who knows.

IbogaProject

(4,542 posts)
107. Next step a false flag strike on a blue area
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 11:35 PM
Saturday

Then martial law. Let's see if the wealthy can keep him in line and keep their economy feeding their greed rather than a false Reichstag fire.

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