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BumRushDaShow

(157,317 posts)
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 03:04 PM Jul 10

Trump loses appeal of $5 million E. Jean Carroll sexual abuse, defamation verdict

Source: CNBC

Published Thu, Jul 10 2025 3:00 PM EDT Updated 2 Min Ago


A federal appeals court in New York on Thursday upheld a civil jury verdict that found President Donald Trump liable for sexually abusing and defaming the writer E. Jean Carroll, and which ordered him to pay her $5 million in damages.

A three-judge appeals panel in its unanimous ruling said it concluded that Trump “had not demonstrated that the district court” judge who presided over his trial “erred in any of the challenged rulings.” “Further, he has not carried his burden to show that any claimed error or combination of claimed errors affected his substantial rights as required to warrant a new trial,” wrote the panel the 2nd Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals.

Trump was appealing a May 2023 verdict by a jury in Manhattan federal court.

That jury found him liable for sexually abusing Carroll in a New York City department store in the 1990s, and for defaming her in late 2022 when he denied her allegation. Trump was not president at the time he made the statements that led to the defamation verdict in that case.

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/10/trump-carroll-sexual-abuse-appeal.html



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Published Thu, Jul 10 2025 3:00 PM EDT Updated 2 Min Ago


A federal appeals court in New York on Thursday upheld a civil jury verdict that found President Donald Trump liable for sexually abusing and defaming the writer E. Jean Carroll, and which ordered him to pay her $5 million in damages.

A three-judge appeals panel in its unanimous ruling said it concluded that Trump "had not demonstrated that the district court" judge who presided over his trial "erred in any of the challenged rulings."

"Further, he has not carried his burden to show that any claimed error or combination of claimed errors affected his substantial rights as required to warrant a new trial," wrote the panel the 2nd Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals.


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Trump loses appeal of $5 million E. Jean Carroll sexual abuse, defamation verdict (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jul 10 OP
loser man again Marthe48 Jul 10 #1
If only that would be the end of it Maeve Jul 10 #2
Yeah, no kidding! calimary Jul 10 #3
This was the smaller judgement. He still owes her 83 million iluvtennis Jul 10 #4
If the stupid shit... GiqueCee Jul 10 #6
It's probably fairly easy for him to get other people/PACs to pay for the lawyers muriel_volestrangler Jul 10 #10
In order for him to have appealed BumRushDaShow Jul 10 #13
Thanks for the clarifying info @BumRushDaShow - much appreciated. n/t iluvtennis Jul 10 #15
Most welcome! BumRushDaShow Jul 10 #17
Yes. He gave the court a check for $5 million in this case.. Princess Turandot Jul 11 #26
Yeah, his org's civil tax fraud, is where he was able to successfully argue for a lower amount for the bond BumRushDaShow Jul 11 #27
Pay the the judgement? Dave Id Jul 11 #33
He'll stiff the lawyers, so that's a moot point. 11 Bravo Jul 11 #34
I suspect that any law firm... GiqueCee Jul 11 #35
You think hes paying his lawyers? quakerboy Jul 11 #36
He'd rather die than pay her. nt GiqueCee Jul 10 #9
I'm okay with that. She probably would be, too. WestMichRad Jul 10 #11
I want to know why his presidential salary can't be garnished. Prof. Toru Tanaka Jul 10 #5
She should put a lien on Mar-a-Grifto. Vinca Jul 10 #8
The bond The Felon posted is the guarantee. lastlib Jul 10 #16
ding. this. AllaN01Bear Jul 10 #7
Many people, including Crumb the 1st, have the idea moniss Jul 10 #12
Trump has free legal representation so he can do this forever. Irish_Dem Jul 11 #28
How many times can this Bev54 Jul 10 #14
Exactly!! That's my first thought too. bluestarone Jul 10 #18
Yes to the interest paying, it gets added on but when you have zero intent on paying I guess it doesn't matter Bev54 Jul 10 #19
the decision a few weeks ago was on his request to have his appeal reheard by the 2nd Circuit en banc onenote Jul 10 #22
He will take everything to the Extreme Court Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 10 #23
SC will probably say a sitting president cannot be distracted with such mundane matters as rape. Irish_Dem Jul 11 #29
"My condolences, old bean." - Jeffrey Epstein (R-eXclusive luXury eXile) BoRaGard Jul 10 #20
Felonious Rapist. Martin68 Jul 10 #21
A Sexual Abuser in the White House, A Sexual Abuser on the Supreme Court DrFunkenstein Jul 11 #24
Pay her oldtime dfl_er Jul 11 #25
"I only pay winning lawyers". I can just hear it. JohnnyRingo Jul 11 #30
Poor wittow trump... pazzyanne Jul 11 #31
I just finished E. Jean Carroll's book TBA Jul 11 #32
I hope this haunts him til he dies. CTyankee Jul 11 #37
Until next Tuesday? Oeditpus Rex Jul 11 #38
Well, at least that's a bit of good news. Beacool Jul 11 #39

Marthe48

(21,377 posts)
1. loser man again
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 03:12 PM
Jul 10

waste more time with frivolous lawsuits, felon. The only thing you do consistently is lose in court over this matter.

iluvtennis

(21,317 posts)
4. This was the smaller judgement. He still owes her 83 million
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 03:37 PM
Jul 10

for the primary sexual misconduct case.

GiqueCee

(2,602 posts)
6. If the stupid shit...
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 03:50 PM
Jul 10

... just paid the judgement, it would probably cost less than the lawyers who are risking eternal damnation just for representing him in all these suits. But, that's his M.O. – sue to delay, delay, delay, because he cannot bear to be seen to lose.

muriel_volestrangler

(104,219 posts)
10. It's probably fairly easy for him to get other people/PACs to pay for the lawyers
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 04:07 PM
Jul 10

If the judgement is ever upheld by the Supreme Court, the system might actually make him pay it himself.

BumRushDaShow

(157,317 posts)
13. In order for him to have appealed
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 04:49 PM
Jul 10

the $5 million (and the later $83 million) had to be paid or put in escrow (which could be as a bond) pending results of the appeal.

That was done last year -

Judge approves Trump's $91.6 million bond in E. Jean Carroll defamation case

If Trump's appeal is unsuccessful, the bond ensures that Carroll will be paid.

By Aaron Katersky and Peter Charalambous
March 12, 2024, 6:21 PM

(snip)

The former president had obtained an appeals bond from the Virginia-based Federal Insurance Company totaling $91,630,000 to cover the $83 million judgment in the case plus interest, according to a court filing on Friday. The conditions of the bond did not specify what assets Trump used to secure the bond.

Trump on Friday also filed a notice of appeal of the judgment to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. Either paying the judgment or posting a bond for the judgment's full amount was required for him to move ahead with the appeal. Trump attorney Alina Habba told ABC News on Friday they're confident their appeal will result in the judgment being overturned.

By posting a bond, Trump guaranteed that Carroll could collect the judgment if the former president exhausts his appeal, former federal prosecutor Josh Naftalis had told ABC News.

The appeal process could take more than a year, Naftalis said. Trump is still appealing the $5 million judgment a jury awarded to Carroll last May after determining the former president had sexually abused her.

(snip)


I think he had the "cash" for the $5 million but needed the bond for the other judgement and this OP is about that earlier $5 million.

BumRushDaShow

(157,317 posts)
17. Most welcome!
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 05:21 PM
Jul 10
I was posting the updates to her trial and judgements and the nightmare of Alina Habba's nonsense, over the past couple years!!!

Princess Turandot

(4,876 posts)
26. Yes. He gave the court a check for $5 million in this case..
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 01:51 AM
Jul 11

And then there's the NYS civil fraud case, presided over by Judge Engoron, who entered a judgment against him for $354 million in damages. (The bond came from Chubb, as did the $83 million one.)

11 Bravo

(24,161 posts)
34. He'll stiff the lawyers, so that's a moot point.
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 02:56 PM
Jul 11

But his inability to admit to even the most obvious guilt should cost him a fortune in interest.

GiqueCee

(2,602 posts)
35. I suspect that any law firm...
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 04:05 PM
Jul 11

... representing him gets paid up front. His rep precedes him, and anyone with the brains of a potted plant trusts him about as far as they can throw a garbage truck.

quakerboy

(14,466 posts)
36. You think hes paying his lawyers?
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 08:31 PM
Jul 11

Let alone judgments? Kings with private armies are not subject to the law.

lastlib

(26,375 posts)
16. The bond The Felon posted is the guarantee.
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 05:18 PM
Jul 10

No point in levying on other assets.

Although I personally, and many others, wouldn't mind seeing her clean his clock financially.

moniss

(7,757 posts)
12. Many people, including Crumb the 1st, have the idea
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 04:46 PM
Jul 10

that when a trial court hears evidence and decides against them that they can go and argue the evidence all over again at the appellate level and on up. So they keep arguing the evidence/testimony over and over publicly saying "They got it wrong and I'll appeal." As noted here the appellate courts will hear arguments about procedural errors and objections made at trial etc. but they do not provide a place for you to re-argue the evidence.

Just like when a Bozo's that get a "not guilty" verdict in a trial and then go and claim that the verdict proves they didn't do it. The verdict doesn't prove anything of the kind. The verdict finds the other side didn't prove their case to the point of swaying the judge/jury to take away the presumption of innocence. In other words despite having a presumption of innocence a person may as a matter of fact committed the crime. Plenty of people walking around who get found "not guilty" but in fact did commit the crime. The verdict doesn't take away the reality of the true fact.

Bev54

(12,690 posts)
14. How many times can this
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 05:10 PM
Jul 10

asshole appeal the verdict? Didn’t he already lose an appeal a few weeks ago?

Bev54

(12,690 posts)
19. Yes to the interest paying, it gets added on but when you have zero intent on paying I guess it doesn't matter
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 05:51 PM
Jul 10

onenote

(45,504 posts)
22. the decision a few weeks ago was on his request to have his appeal reheard by the 2nd Circuit en banc
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 06:13 PM
Jul 10

On December 30, 2024, a three judge panel of the second circuit denied Trump's appeal of the District Court decision. Thereupon, Trump filed a timely petition to have his appeal re-heard "en banc" by the full second circuit. That petition was denied on June 13, 2025. During the pendency of the rehearing en banc petition the effective date of the "mandate" of the second circuit's three-judge panel decision was stayed.

The decision today is not a new decision -- rather it is the issuance of the mandate. The opinion being quoted in some news stories about today's action actually is the same opinion that the three judge panel issued on December 30, 2024.

Presumably, Trump will file a petition for certiorari with the Supreme Court along with a petition seeking a stay of the mandate. By rule, the mandate will be automatically stayed until SCOTUS acts on the petition.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,414 posts)
23. He will take everything to the Extreme Court
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 11:30 PM
Jul 10

who have already basically given him unlimited power and continue to reaffirm their support for an unrestrained POTUS. This I suspect will change drasticslly if we ever get a Democrat in the White House.

Irish_Dem

(72,738 posts)
29. SC will probably say a sitting president cannot be distracted with such mundane matters as rape.
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 05:53 AM
Jul 11

DrFunkenstein

(8,794 posts)
24. A Sexual Abuser in the White House, A Sexual Abuser on the Supreme Court
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 12:46 AM
Jul 11

Seriously, Matt Gaetz must be so confused over why he doesn't have a job.

JohnnyRingo

(20,076 posts)
30. "I only pay winning lawyers". I can just hear it.
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 08:59 AM
Jul 11

He'll call them losers and claim there was no reason to lose the case.
Besides, the judge was an Obama lover.

TBA

(877 posts)
32. I just finished E. Jean Carroll's book
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 10:10 AM
Jul 11

She said interest is compounding at 9% compounded daily.

In the book she said the total judgment was up to 100 Million.

That is the sum of both judgments from the original trial and the defamation trial

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