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Related: About this forumI. I. Rabi's thoughts on the reasons why Jews are over represented among first rate scientists.
I am an atheist of non-Jewish origins, although as a Long Islander I was very familiar with, and participated in Jewish culture through my best friends and a few of my former lovers. I hope it's OK for me to post here on the following basis (if not let me know):
I've been reading a biography of the nuclear physicist Edward Teller (who was of Jewish origins) and went off on a tangent thinking about I.I. Rabi, the Nobel Laureate physicist also of Jewish origins (but like me an atheist) who despised Teller to the point of saying that the world would be better if Teller had never been born.
Rabi, who in the Oppenheimer movie was played by David Krumholtz, grew up in a very Orthodox family, and was actually born in what was then part of the Russian Empire but is now part of Poland. His family brought him to the United States when he was two years old.
Anyway, I was poking around the internet for Rabi stuff since a part of my career involved (peripherally) nuclear magnetic spin (just NMR stuff) and I came across this piece from American Scholar:
Lunching With Rabi
Subtitle:
By Jay Neugeboren | March 22, 2024
A background excerpt, the story from how he came to spend the afternoon with Rabi:
I protested that Professor Rabi was a Nobel Prizewinning physicist, and I was just a part-time instructor, but my father would have none of it. You both went to Columbia, he said, and you both teach there, and he was born in Rymanowwhere our family comes fromso I dont see why you cant call and get together with him.
My father was a mild-mannered man who rarely insisted on anything. He had failed at several businesses, and it was my mother, a registered nurse, whoto my fathers embarrassmenthad always supported our family. I was surprised by his call, and more surprised when he called the next day to urge me once again to contact Professor Rabi, and to express his disappointment in me for not doing what hed asked...
He sent Rabi a letter through Columbia's inter-department mail and Rabi called him up and invited him to lunch where he asked to dispense with the "Professor stuff" and be called "Izzy."
The conversation eventually went here:
...We discovered that although we both identified proudly as Jewish, were knowledgeable about Jewish history and culture, and valued the moral teachings of Judaism, neither of us believed in God, or held to any beliefs about prayer or ritual.
After wed talked for a while about Jewish artists and scientistsabout Albert Einstein and Sigmund Freud, Saul Bellow and Bernard Malamud, George Gershwin and Yehudi Menuhinhe suddenly leaned across the table and, in a whisper, asked why I thought it was that despite centuries of persecution, Jews had excelled out of all proportion to our minuscule fraction of the worlds population.
Survival of the fittest, he said quickly in answer to his own question, and when I didnt immediately agree with him, he said that one couldnt say what hed just said too loudlythat of course he didnt believe Jews were genetically smarter than any other group of people, but because of the persecution wed suffered, wed honed what talents and brains we were given to finer points than we might otherwise have done. It was, he said, simple Mendelian arithmetic: Those within the Jewish community who were healthier, stronger, or more cleveror more useful to the rulers of nations wed lived in because of particular talentssurvived in larger number.
I protested, citing the millions of poor, uneducated Eastern European Jews whod come to America without exceptional skills, yet had brought into being several generations of Jewish Americans who had excelled in remarkable ways. And what about luck? I asked. My points were well-taken, he said, and he quoted Louis Pasteur about chance favoring the prepared mind, and this led him to suggest another element that accounted for our achievements: that wed always been a nomadic people with a history of being expelled from country after country, and thus had come to value things intangiblereading and study above allthat prepared us for the arrival of good fortune if and when it came, and that this was so because, unlike physical objects and property, our knowledgewhat we read, studied, and thoughtwas transportable and could not be taken from us.
I'm not Jewish, but the advice sounds very much like that which I gave my sons when they were small, which I put thus: "The secret of life is to be ready for your opportunity when it comes," by which I meant that one should undertake the accumulation of knowledge for its own sake, but nonetheless it might prove useful and in any case could never be taken away.
I thought this account was interesting, and thought I'd post a link here.
chouchou
(3,313 posts)I just went to AI.....From AI >>>Throughout history, Jewish people were often barred from owning land or joining trade guilds in Europe and the Middle East. Because they could not rely on physical property or institutional safety nets, they had to rely on education and portable skills. As the saying goes "no one can take your mind from you"
biophile
(1,559 posts)I grew up in WV where there were few Jewish families and I never had any interaction with them in any case, so I knew very little about their culture. But in my career, I worked several years at the Philadelphia Albert Einstein Medical Center and came to know many Jewish people. My biggest observation was that Jewish families valued education and encouraged their children- both male and female (which in my age group was unusual since women were to marry and didnt need higher learning) to go to college.
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