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37. This is not

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Wed Jun 25, 2025, 01:39 PM

Jun 25

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Inherently, an age issue. It's a leadership and fighting issue. The current leadership - old or not- seems more concerned about tongue wagging and sternly worded letters and relying on the courts. It's pretty passive and consistent with Carville's advice that we just need to lay low and let Trump implode. I contend that the rank and file don't agree with that. We need leaders - old, young, middle-aged, whatever - who are going to smartly get our message across in this media driven world and paint a clear contrast between our side and their side. And do so every day, in every way, but especially ways that target/capture the limited attention span of the majority of the public and that will get clicks.

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Joy Reid Says She's 'Barely Hanging On' With Party Too Scared To Embrace 'Effective Fighter' Progressives " [View all] moonshinegnomie Jun 25 OP

I don't think we need to "fight dirty," but we need to fight. Gore1FL Jun 25 #1

I agree PatSeg Jun 25 #5

How'd When they go low, we go high work out? Gimpyknee Jun 25 #93

It didn't. Iggo Jun 25 #97

You can fight without being PatSeg Jun 25 #98

Understand and agree with the concept.. RhapsodyFav Jun 25 #99

Four years of Joseph Robinette Biden? cadoman Jun 26 #109

Think of a fighting match where fighters have permission to hit below the belt but only one fighter ImNotGod Jun 25 #29

I like your fighter analogy. WinstonSmith4740 Jun 25 #44

It can turn off people from politics all together if both fight dirty. I don't know how long I'd want to watch that. chowder66 Jun 25 #56

Sorry, but too many aren't "crossing over" MyOwnPeace Jun 25 #79

We can "fight dirty" with FACTS instead of lies.... (and it isn't really dirty but the facts are)--- For instance--- Jack Valentino Jun 25 #100

+1,000,000!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 25 #59

If you wanna fight great, if you aren't gonna fight, go down the road and pound sand. Magoo48 Jun 25 #48

1000%!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 25 #57

Maybe... be we need to fight SMARTER dwayneb Jun 25 #81

10000% I dont think Jasmine nor AOC are any where near 'dirty' but they are CORRECT!!! TalenaGor Jun 25 #95

The NYC mayoral primary results Jilly_in_VA Jun 25 #2

We need to fight dirty. Akakoji Jun 25 #39

Been sayin that for years... if there was ever a time to fight these fuckin' fascists it's NOWWW!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 25 #58

We need bdamomma Jun 25 #102

YESSSSS, you're 100% right... our representatives either fight the fascists or get the hell out of the damn way!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 25 #106

Okay. Well... bye! Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #3

or maybe she thinks the democrats need to change moonshinegnomie Jun 25 #6

You and Oopsie Daisy both make great points, Qutzupalotl Jun 25 #8

David Hogg was not "forced out". That's a lie. He chose not to run again (probably knowing he'd lose) Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #9

David Hogg *tried* to stay within the ultimate Dem establishment Arazi Jun 25 #10

And yet the old guard resists moonshinegnomie Jun 25 #14

The thing I see is that once a person gets to be a certain wealth level, even if it was from winning a lottery and LiberalArkie Jun 25 #24

Not my Senator cilla4progress Jun 25 #28

Brilliant Akakoji Jun 25 #43

If you were a congress person or an aide to one or a secretary in the office and you heard that the LiberalArkie Jun 25 #54

The "Perks," Maybe, But It's Been a Woefully Long Time Since They Effectively Utilized Their "Power" The Roux Comes First Jun 25 #31

Tear the Fascists Down Jilly_in_VA Jun 25 #84

I got spanked today for saying pretty much the same thing... GiqueCee Jun 25 #86

No he didn't. Hogg attacks Democrats rather than Republicans. Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #17

"Growing and strengthening" the party (your own words) Arazi Jun 25 #21

Boo hoo... poor Joy Reid. Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #23

Imagine caring what Joy Reid or any other bloviating cable news personality says about anything. BannonsLiver Jun 25 #25

Joy Reid is just today's human stand-in for any lifelong progressive Dem tbh Arazi Jun 25 #34

Cool story. Isn't she a homophobe? BannonsLiver Jun 25 #38

I'm not deifying her Arazi Jun 25 #51

MSNBC lost a lot of credibility when they let her get away with that phony hacking claim Midwestern Democrat Jun 26 #107

That's how you end up with a decades-long political career without any notable progressive accomplishments to your name. W_HAMILTON Jun 25 #60

What the fuck is the point -- this is what's fascinating, it doesn't make sense. betsuni Jun 25 #74

Teachers Union head quit her position with the Democratic Party on June 15th. Lee Saunders Deuxcents Jun 25 #101

Ominous signs 😞 Arazi Jun 25 #103

Not good..at all. Deuxcents Jun 25 #104

The last election showed us that Mblaze Jun 25 #19

No, it showed that when people encourage their constituents to NOT support the Democrats * Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #20

I actually had Mblaze Jun 25 #26

It sounds like the moderate Dem belief they are entitled to power gave way to Trump ck4829 Jun 25 #30

Exactly moonshinegnomie Jun 25 #32

I'm inundated Mblaze Jun 25 #40

Love your point about 80 yr old fossils kkmarie Jun 26 #116

As far as I'm concerned Mblaze Jun 25 #36

You realize that it's not just Hogg angrychair Jun 25 #33

Quitters never win. They have made themselves irrelevant and voiceless. Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #35

They are not voiceless angrychair Jun 25 #42

If these people want to abandon the Democratic party then they are responsible for their own fates. Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #47

Maybe it's the democrats who abandoned them. at least the old guard moonshinegnomie Jun 25 #53

No. The ones who shouted "Genocide Joe" and who listened to their rep and voted for Uncommitted... Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #61

All due respect angrychair Jun 25 #55

If they don't want to support the party then it's idiotic for anyone to expect the party to support them in return. Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #62

Trying hard to remain polite angrychair Jun 25 #70

I'm done with you. We've reached an impasse and now I'm being called a troll. Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #76

That isn't what I said angrychair Jun 25 #77

Actually, you did. sheshe2 Jun 25 #105

Not my intention angrychair Jun 26 #111

so working hard means DonCoquixote Jun 25 #46

I don't know how I can be any clearer: Quitters never win. Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #50

"Best interests of the party" is exactly the debate Arazi Jun 25 #52

The notion that sabotaging the party will help the party is insane. Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #65

we lost because we ran an 80yr old who did nothing to excit ethe young moonshinegnomie Jun 25 #66

Shitting on the party and abandoning the party is not the way to make the party better. Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #67

You know we're not talking about the Genocide Joe voters right? Arazi Jun 25 #68

She can't be trusted... just like the rest of the saboteurs. Fuck her. Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #75

We lost because it was a corrupt election. 58Sunliner Jun 25 #91

there is support, and then enabling DonCoquixote Jun 25 #85

Keep that shit to yourself, please. It makes ZERO sense to demand that the Democrats concede to the GOP... Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #88

" they lost all 3 branches of government " sheshe2 Jun 25 #78

maybe the reason for that is shitty candidates moonshinegnomie Jun 25 #80

Your words: sheshe2 Jun 25 #82

Excuse me? Hillary was one of the Smartest, Experienced, and Caring Candidates we ever ran. Geeeebz! Bernie's older,.. electric_blue68 Jun 25 #96

Good luck trying to get away with that excuse in the business world - "It's not our fault - it's the Goddamn customers!" Midwestern Democrat Jun 26 #114

Now you are just grasping at straws. sheshe2 Jun 26 #115

I don't see it as dirty fighting Bettie Jun 25 #4

Precisely. "friends" across the aisle indeed... B.See Jun 25 #18

an effective fighter, is not 'dirty' stillcool Jun 25 #7

She is not alone. ananda Jun 25 #11

First our team needs to find a truck load of gumption. Vow to play has a team. Hotler Jun 25 #12

I can't blame Joy for her observations. Kid Berwyn Jun 25 #13

We, all non-repugs, need to focus against them only Nigrum Cattus Jun 25 #15

I'm 100% onboard with Joy JustAnotherGen Jun 25 #16

Joy Reid is spot on and I fully agree with her. Quiet Em Jun 25 #22

Leaving the party sends a terrible message and is extremely counter-productive since there are so many good people in . LymphocyteLover Jun 25 #27

This is not Scubamatt Jun 25 #37

And we need to be speaking out much much more about Fox. ificandream Jun 25 #41

I get 4 or 5 texts every day to donate money, gab13by13 Jun 25 #45

change is hard et tu Jun 25 #49

We have other fighters who weren't "hacked" Sympthsical Jun 25 #63

Real fighters also don't pout and threaten to take their ball and go home like Joy Reid has done. BannonsLiver Jun 25 #69

A lot of self-described fighters have "L'etat c'est moi" energy. Sympthsical Jun 25 #72

+1 leftstreet Jun 25 #71

Totally agree. This is a goddamn war. Fight or get out of the way. Joinfortmill Jun 25 #64

Joy Reid is in the business of Joy Reid. TheProle Jun 25 #73

Last time I checked, there are two political parties, the Democrats and the Republicans Mr. Ected Jun 25 #83

It's not the fighter.... The Grand Illuminist Jun 25 #87

We need to WIN. That is ALL that matters. I am a feminist who hopes to God a woman wins the White House LaMouffette Jun 25 #89

People that are "leaving" Littlered Jun 25 #90

its the young people that are leaving moonshinegnomie Jun 26 #113

We're being steamrolled. May not have much left soon, and it's only been 5 months. Evolve Dammit Jun 25 #92

Yes gixxerlee Jun 25 #94

This post is discouraging, to say the least. murielm99 Jun 26 #108

It's sort of becoming clearer why MSNBC fired her. Nixie Jun 26 #110

But it's politics, not some sort of group therapy. betsuni Jun 26 #112

Joy Reid is still playing fantasy politics bigtree Jun 26 #117