Has anyone noticed how veering to the right is never considered "too far," but even the slightest move to the left...

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65. You claimed that I "object to any criticism of conservatives of the party," which was wrong.

I can tell you paint people with a broad brush, so I explained to you how wrong you were.

And it's not just about disagreeing with moderates, centrists, and conservatives -- there is a subset of progressives that ascribe evil intentions to ALL those in the party that have differing viewpoints. And whether you agree with my comment that Republicans, Russians, etc. have used certain progressives and progressive issues to divide the left so as to help right-wingers win elections, it matters little to me because it is a proven fact, regardless of whether you believe it or not.

Do you not think we progressives should put forward candidates that are capable of winning on their own, on their own merits, rather than whining about """rigging""" when they can't convince enough voters to vote for them? Because I do. In fact, when progressive policy polls so well yet progressive candidates often fail at the ballot box, I think that is a sad indictment on the progressive candidates that we are promoting.

Again, I mentioned Sinema and Fetterman, because these both were once hailed as up-and-coming progressives -- not because they had many (any?) progressive accomplishments to their name, but because they were deemed not to be part of """the establishment""" and because they called themselves progressives. That's it. And then they win their elections, get into office, and are complete failures from a progressive viewpoint.

We progressives need to put more value on actual progressive credentials and achievements rather than having it reduced to just someone we like/young/not """establishment""" or else we will be doomed to watch the progressive movement continue to falter and not achieve much. Progressives say that Democrats needs to give people a reason to vote FOR something rather than AGAINST someone -- well, let's take our own advice and stop blaming others for our failures to convince the electorate that our progressive politicians and their policies are what's best for them.

Again, let's clean up our own house first, shall we?