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RobinA

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105. It's A Tax

Tue Sep 23, 2025, 05:47 PM

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on women because women are the ones that normally change their name. Let's call it disparate impact if that makes more sense.

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I just want to add a comment to those thinking the voting marital name change issue is not a problem [View all] hlthe2b 23 hrs ago OP

Kick SheltieLover 23 hrs ago #1

It is a BIG DEAL! EarthAbides 23 hrs ago #2

I still have the name I was born with Grim Chieftain 22 hrs ago #19

for the short time I was married in the 1980s, barbtries 20 hrs ago #102

So do I! calimary 13 hrs ago #138

Great story Grim Chieftain 13 hrs ago #139

And it's a BIGGER deal than a birth certificate. pnwmom 20 hrs ago #94

I have been married twice oberle 14 hrs ago #137

At least till Congress requires it is the bottom line. And if it takes months to gather your documents, pnwmom 12 hrs ago #141

Which is the point. pandr32 2 hrs ago #159

Slightly off-topic but those documents can also VTderry 5 hrs ago #150

My maga sister is one of those who stupidly says it is no big deal. Not to her, she is rich. Trueblue1968 23 hrs ago #3

It costs money and takes time, too. MineralMan 22 hrs ago #4

Every obstacle to make it harder to vote ... now who would that benefit ... I wonder who .... Could it be .... eppur_se_muova 22 hrs ago #5

Same thing, different name. soldierant 20 hrs ago #88

Thank you. Solly Mack 22 hrs ago #6

applegrove's post was about needing to get a marriage certificate... SickOfTheOnePct 22 hrs ago #7

She also discussed the voting issue. Are you claiming I am lying? You need the birth certificate hlthe2b 22 hrs ago #8

No, I'm not claiming that you're lying... SickOfTheOnePct 22 hrs ago #11

Women have to have both! EarthAbides 22 hrs ago #22

Yes, for some things they do SickOfTheOnePct 22 hrs ago #24

It is definitely a tax on women. Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #29

Where are women required to have a birth certificate to vote? SickOfTheOnePct 22 hrs ago #31

I just can't anymore. Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #40

Not sure why... SickOfTheOnePct 21 hrs ago #47

That's the subject of this thread. What have you been reading? Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #51

And yet... SickOfTheOnePct 21 hrs ago #52

Because you couldn't possibly google or keep up: House GOP tramples on women's rights with passage of SAVE Act hlthe2b 21 hrs ago #53

I'm well aware of the SAVE Act... SickOfTheOnePct 21 hrs ago #55

And you think those affected will have the time to react if it is signed/enacted? hlthe2b 21 hrs ago #57

Which seven Democratic Senators ... SickOfTheOnePct 21 hrs ago #61

They are clearly delaying to the last minute to ensure women have no chance to respond... hlthe2b 21 hrs ago #64

I do care about women being disenfranchised... SickOfTheOnePct 21 hrs ago #70

MEN do not change their name to their wife's. IT IS about women. Good gawd. hlthe2b 21 hrs ago #75

Under the SAVE Act... SickOfTheOnePct 20 hrs ago #84

How many House Democrats did you think were going to vote to honor Charlie Kirk? Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #73

Did you believe that Roe vs Wade could never be overturned? Or the Voting Rights Act be gutted? The GOP ... Hekate 59 min ago #163

NO. It absolutely does NOT. Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #69

Sorry, what "absolutely does NOT"? SickOfTheOnePct 21 hrs ago #72

You really just need to go read it. Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #74

I actually did... SickOfTheOnePct 20 hrs ago #89

Because it hasn't passed the Senate yet. They are likely waiting till close to Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #54

Exactly. They want to pass/enact it at last minute to prevent women from having the chance hlthe2b 21 hrs ago #60

I seriously can't deal with this anymore. We are actually needing to defend the idea that this is not a good thing. Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #67

One might wonder why they are on DU... hlthe2b 20 hrs ago #99

I'm absolutely sure what you're talking about... SickOfTheOnePct 20 hrs ago #108

And you missed the fact that, in practice, many women will need to provide both. Scrivener7 18 hrs ago #121

You seem to miss the point of what the birth certificate requirement is for SickOfTheOnePct 18 hrs ago #126

Have a lovely evening. Scrivener7 18 hrs ago #127

It will not pass Wiz Imp 20 hrs ago #82

Hope not. But I didn't think House Democrats would vote to honor Kirk. Scrivener7 20 hrs ago #85

I'm not trying to downplay it but the majority of women would not be impacted immediately. Wiz Imp 20 hrs ago #110

How many women moved, changed their name or changed party registration last year? Scrivener7 19 hrs ago #114

Somebody needs to look up the word downplay and perhaps rewrite their title. Ilikepurple 17 hrs ago #129

You're sure Republicans won't get rid of the filibuster to assure they stay in power? SunSeeker 20 hrs ago #90

Yes. I'm sure Republicans will not get rid of the filibuster just for this. Wiz Imp 20 hrs ago #106

No. You're not sure. You're no more sure of that than people were sure Roe v. Wade would hold. Scrivener7 19 hrs ago #115

Yes I am sure. I'd stake my life savings on it. It WILL NOT HAPPEN Wiz Imp 18 hrs ago #122

OK. So you've informed us bout your infallibility, and about the fact that you are OK with Democratic citizens Scrivener7 18 hrs ago #123

Amazing. You misrepresented every single thing I said. Wiz Imp 18 hrs ago #128

I, too, suspect it will not pass crimycarny 1 hr ago #161

Thank you for understanding the point. Wiz Imp 50 min ago #164

Not required in Kansas............ Bengus81 21 hrs ago #76

YET. This is about the Federal SAVE ACT. Google or head upstream. hlthe2b 20 hrs ago #100

SAVE act requires a birth certificate to vote if you legally changed your name... haele 20 hrs ago #98

It's A Tax RobinA 20 hrs ago #105

Regarding marriage certificates... SickOfTheOnePct 20 hrs ago #109

I've read your post four times and I still can't make sense of it. yardwork 6 hrs ago #145

I apologize if what I said wasn't clear SickOfTheOnePct 4 hrs ago #153

Its a tax on women if women need a birth certificate to vote MadameButterfly 5 hrs ago #147

I agree 100% SickOfTheOnePct 4 hrs ago #154

I've been amazed at the Democratic/left pooh-poohing on this issue since the early push for RealID for voting Ms. Toad 22 hrs ago #9

Boy, that's some serious poll taxing. ananda 22 hrs ago #10

I'm not aware of any states that require a birth certificate to vote SickOfTheOnePct 22 hrs ago #14

Have you missed the weeks of discussion of the RW attempts to do so? hlthe2b 22 hrs ago #17

I'm aware that a number of Republican states are trying... SickOfTheOnePct 22 hrs ago #18

Perhaps you could Google the question. mgardener 21 hrs ago #62

It's up to the people making the claims... SickOfTheOnePct 21 hrs ago #63

This requirement for women to prove their maiden name is exactly that. It requires a birth certificate to vote. Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #30

What requirement for women to prove their maiden name in order to vote? n/t SickOfTheOnePct 22 hrs ago #32

I'll bet 50-75% of men don't have a clue where their BC is. I had to buy one years ago Bengus81 21 hrs ago #79

+1 leftstreet 22 hrs ago #15

So glad I never changed my name. Coventina 22 hrs ago #12

The old style birth certificates that I got in the early 'seventies from the county courthouse... hunter 22 hrs ago #13

Yeah... I still have that one, but it was refused. Irritating as hell. hlthe2b 22 hrs ago #21

A few years ago I had to get birth certificates for different relatives across 3 different states ClaudetteCC 22 hrs ago #28

It is definitely a misogynist move. Most of us do change our names at marriage... Hekate 22 hrs ago #16

I changed my legal name to my maiden and married name when I got married kimbutgar 22 hrs ago #20

Isn't it standard practice to already have copies of one's birth certificate on hand? Kaleva 22 hrs ago #23

Kindly reread my OP and that of Hunter (#13). Certainly not the RW MAGA to blame for hlthe2b 22 hrs ago #26

Gosh. I had to replace my birth certificate because my mother lost mine. Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #33

LOL...I've been voting in Kansas since 1972 and a BC has never been required. Bengus81 21 hrs ago #80

But shouldn't everyone, men and women, have copies of their birth certificate? Kaleva 22 hrs ago #34

Real ID has a number of options. You can do it without a birth certificates. Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #35

True but since I had my birth certificate, I used that Kaleva 21 hrs ago #37

That's nice. Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #43

Only if your current driver's license was obtained with documents proving your full legal name Ms. Toad 20 hrs ago #91

Based on everything I've read, you need a proof of identity to get a Real ID Wiz Imp 20 hrs ago #97

Blame women....Blame poor women. especially after I detailed the $76 it cost me to replace mine hlthe2b 21 hrs ago #41

We have a full set of vital docs... SickOfTheOnePct 21 hrs ago #42

You know they're not free, right? leftstreet 21 hrs ago #48

More Highly ENTITLED... hlthe2b 21 hrs ago #50

Good for you! yardwork 5 hrs ago #149

If Someone Says It's No Big Deal modrepub 22 hrs ago #25

just went through this - dont forget the notary fee for the document Vitalchek needs +$20 TalenaGor 22 hrs ago #27

You don't need vitalcheck if you go in person or use mail Kaleva 21 hrs ago #39

For gawd's sakes. What percentage of this nations' women live in the state of their birth hlthe2b 21 hrs ago #49

I don't believe women are as helpless as you seem to think they are Kaleva 3 hrs ago #157

If they don't know, they aren't financially secure, trapped in a horrible controlling or violent marriage hlthe2b 3 hrs ago #158

gotcha - I live in a differnt state now so I didnt have much of a choice lol TalenaGor 20 hrs ago #96

Some people have different situations than you. Scrivener7 19 hrs ago #120

It's a BIG DEAL proud patriot 21 hrs ago #36

But the Stepford MAGAs will be ok with it IbogaProject 21 hrs ago #38

Hell. It appears some here are just fine with it. Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #45

They will fail. Fiendish Thingy 21 hrs ago #44

"Roe v. Wade will never fall." "No Democratic House member would ever vote to honor Kirk." Scrivener7 19 hrs ago #119

It IS a big deal sdfernando 21 hrs ago #46

K&R. I didn't see the original thread, but I think some of its poo-poo overflowed Torchlight 21 hrs ago #56

My BC copy was $47.50 through the same service. CrispyQ 21 hrs ago #58

I am 77 years old and have never changed my name. PoindexterOglethorpe 21 hrs ago #59

There is a lot of social pressure in many communities for a woman to change her name. hunter 20 hrs ago #93

I lived in Minneapolis in the early years of my marriage. PoindexterOglethorpe 12 hrs ago #140

Just deal with it. Maru Kitteh 21 hrs ago #65

Seems to be the attitude--even among quite a few (male, I assume) DUers on this thread hlthe2b 21 hrs ago #66

And my favorite: "Well, it wouldn't be an issue for ME, so it isn't an issue!" Scrivener7 20 hrs ago #113

Sexism all around us. yardwork 6 hrs ago #146

I recall an article about a poor man in Wisconsin who kept driving to Chicago repeatedly to get his birth certificate lostnfound 21 hrs ago #68

Isn't it amazing how prevalent gaslighting is here? littlemissmartypants 21 hrs ago #71

Also sealioning! Also dismissing! Also misinformation! It's a bonanza of obnoxiousness! Scrivener7 19 hrs ago #116

Birth certificates have never been free synni 21 hrs ago #77

Using "never" is really silly. Some states DID and all or nearly all DO. But that isn't the point hlthe2b 20 hrs ago #101

Many years Rebl2 21 hrs ago #78

Poll Tax PurgedVoter 20 hrs ago #81

as an adoptee mokeyz 20 hrs ago #83

I have another complex paper trail TommyT139 20 hrs ago #95

your dad did you a solid Skittles 20 hrs ago #86

In Ohio if there were multiple marriages Hope22 20 hrs ago #87

Much ado about nothing Gimpyknee 20 hrs ago #92

Kick SheltieLover 20 hrs ago #103

I have ForgedCrank 20 hrs ago #104

yeah. None of this is a big deal to men... hlthe2b 20 hrs ago #107

Those are ForgedCrank 19 hrs ago #117

You aren't even responding to the issues on this thread. Not having read any of it, obviously. hlthe2b 17 hrs ago #133

Ok ForgedCrank 16 hrs ago #134

Last Name voting issue ms.pamela 20 hrs ago #111

Most of us (at lest the majority women on this thread know). The men mostlly have shown they hlthe2b 20 hrs ago #112

I'm amazed at the energy used to downplay this marginalization tactic. Ilikepurple 19 hrs ago #118

The clear message here is that if a bunch of women lose the right to vote, it's no big deal. Scrivener7 18 hrs ago #124

This will discourage women from taking their husband's names when they marry. milestogo 18 hrs ago #125

It's a total pain in the ass for women who Warpy 17 hrs ago #130

Thanks hil. I deleted. Then I thought better of it, came across applegrove 17 hrs ago #131

Thank you JustAnotherGen 17 hrs ago #132

Then there's this character. Totally Tunsie 16 hrs ago #135

NH libertarians passed this Tesha 15 hrs ago #136

To the handful of naysayers: "this will never happen" on this thread--SEE THE POST ABOVE #136 hlthe2b 6 hrs ago #143

Don't get me started róisín_dubh 12 hrs ago #142

Ridiculous kkmarie 6 hrs ago #144

It's absolutely ridiculous and infuriating. still-prayin4rain 5 hrs ago #148

True that it's an expense. But overall, why not see the expense as an investment in original documents, which ancianita 5 hrs ago #151

For gawd's sakes, ancianita, it is an equity issue and an intentional effort to disenfranchise women! hlthe2b 4 hrs ago #152

Thanks. Understood. It's likely because I didn't read any previous thread on this, I did not know this part: ancianita 1 hr ago #160

Thanks ancianita for taking the time to go back... hlthe2b 1 hr ago #162

Passport $190, updated birth certificate $30 Clouds Passing 4 hrs ago #155

So you live in the state of your birth? Hardly comparable, but good on you. hlthe2b 3 hrs ago #156