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Prairie Gates

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68. You're absolutely right...it's unfair to have the discipline you work in

Sat Nov 29, 2025, 12:53 PM

Nov 2025

oversimplified, misrepresented, attacked, insulted, and degraded, especially by people who don't work in that field and quite frankly don't know what they're talking about.

You're quite right about that. I'll take that lesson. Thank you. Some others in this thread should do the same.

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Poll: In a dramatic shift, Americans no longer see four-year college degrees as worth the cost [View all] Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2025 OP

Given the outrageous cost of the tuition I can see why they would think that. drray23 Nov 2025 #1

but community colleges in general have many more classes relevant to various 'trades', Jack Valentino Nov 2025 #88

There goes critical thinking skills, right out the window SheltieLover Nov 2025 #2

Exactly. They will know zero history, have zero writing and critical thinking skills,... hlthe2b Nov 2025 #5

They will be gullible milestogo Nov 2025 #14

Not to mention history & civics! SheltieLover Nov 2025 #15

Critical thinking concludes college is too expensive leftstreet Nov 2025 #8

You don't need a four year degree for any of that fujiyamasan Nov 2025 #22

Critical thinking is really a more advanced skill. Happy Hoosier Nov 2025 #32

Agree - best English teacher I had in my life womanofthehills Nov 2025 #90

4 year college should be free. SSJVegeta Nov 2025 #3

I have a MS PCB66 Nov 2025 #38

Yet they are statistically more likely to make better decisions and vote the right way SSJVegeta Nov 2025 #42

I don't know PCB66 Nov 2025 #71

Trust me Ive known a lot of really deluded highly educated people too SSJVegeta Nov 2025 #76

It's easier if you can get people to want being poorly educated. Turbineguy Nov 2025 #4

Anti-intellectualism is a cornerstone Happy Hoosier Nov 2025 #33

Yes, you can fool some of the people all of the time. thought crime Nov 2025 #81

Can he get us a discount?? The Madcap Nov 2025 #6

Ummmmm...... Lovie777 Nov 2025 #7

The leaders running the USA into the ground Progressive dog Nov 2025 #11

Oh, They Teach That ProfessorGAC Nov 2025 #29

I like to ask my economics colleagues if they have figured out tariffs yet Redleg Nov 2025 #51

Beauty! ProfessorGAC Nov 2025 #58

I was fortunate to have some good econ professors in grad school Redleg Nov 2025 #59

Good To Hear ProfessorGAC Nov 2025 #65

You want to improve your life and get somewhere, but it's survival-of-the-fittest up top bucolic_frolic Nov 2025 #9

I can relate to that DFW Nov 2025 #26

About time someone realized most 4-year degrees are worthless Lettuce Be Nov 2025 #10

Yes indeed and it is a rational conclusion given the current moniss Nov 2025 #12

I don't know what a college degree is worth in the age of AI newdeal2 Nov 2025 #13

$1.5 Million Johnny2X2X Nov 2025 #34

So far, AI can't really replace thinking. Happy Hoosier Nov 2025 #35

There is job loss already newdeal2 Nov 2025 #43

In the age of AI, a Math degree is Golden-$$. thought crime Nov 2025 #82

Congratulations, Higher Ed. You've priced yourself out of students! intheflow Nov 2025 #16

Prices are out of control... Happy Hoosier Nov 2025 #36

Decreased state and federal funds... róisín_dubh Nov 2025 #44

Yet, blue states don't seem to be any cheaper than red states n/t MichMan Nov 2025 #61

Yes. I did mention Federal funding as well. róisín_dubh Nov 2025 #87

That's 100% true in the state of Wisconsin. Greybnk48 Nov 2025 #62

Thank you! I used to work at a community college, and that was the case there. raccoon Nov 2025 #66

That means that people do not understand murielm99 Nov 2025 #17

seeing how many college-educated people are complete idiots Skittles Nov 2025 #23

C's get degrees. Happy Hoosier Nov 2025 #37

Unlike Lake Wobegon where everyone is above average MichMan Nov 2025 #89

We're about 20-30 years late on this one Sympthsical Nov 2025 #18

+1 leftstreet Nov 2025 #19

Yes, What Trump is doing is wrong but I have a hard time supporting JI7 Nov 2025 #25

And it's an important distinction Sympthsical Nov 2025 #28

I think you're wrong here.... Happy Hoosier Nov 2025 #39

Yup, especially the last part. róisín_dubh Nov 2025 #45

What's your disagreement specifically? Sympthsical Nov 2025 #46

People need to be realistic JI7 Nov 2025 #20

There's no free lunch here fujiyamasan Nov 2025 #21

Okay, there is no comparison mr715 Nov 2025 #56

I never would have gone to college forty years ago. Jacson6 Nov 2025 #24

Corporate and anti-intellectual propaganda marches on JCMach1 Nov 2025 #27

Yes. This thread alone includes enough content for a whole book on why this is true and how it happened. Iris Nov 2025 #70

100%, with no dissing of trades. JCMach1 Nov 2025 #75

I worked at what people call a trade school - often called technical colleges now Iris Nov 2025 #80

It doesn't help when the K-12 education is so lacking, that colleges have to offer remedial classes MichMan Nov 2025 #30

You know who does think it's worth it? Johnny2X2X Nov 2025 #31

Absolutely true, IMO Happy Hoosier Nov 2025 #40

Just disturbing to me the anti college rhetoric that has taken hold Johnny2X2X Nov 2025 #41

Agreed Prairie Gates Nov 2025 #48

THIS Iris Nov 2025 #54

What's hilarious is that the degrees now considered "useful" are the ones that were only recently invented Prairie Gates Nov 2025 #47

I think you've simplified what the business disciplines are Redleg Nov 2025 #52

You're absolutely right...it's unfair to have the discipline you work in Prairie Gates Nov 2025 #68

I appreciate that Redleg Dec 1 #91

Well said Iris Nov 2025 #60

"I have a nephew who received a BA in Philosophy who works at a Total Wine and More store." Jedi Guy Nov 2025 #49

Everybody has an anecdote about some student with a French poetry degree Johnny2X2X Nov 2025 #50

It's not the degrees themselves that are useful, but the habits of mind that the holders of the degrees have developed Iris Nov 2025 #63

Well yeah. Johnny2X2X Nov 2025 #64

GenX got jobs with these degrees without internships and co-ops Iris Nov 2025 #69

Not this Gen Xer Johnny2X2X Nov 2025 #72

I think collleges are more intentional about internships and co/ops now Iris Nov 2025 #73

Agree Johnny2X2X Nov 2025 #74

I know this was starting to happen with teaching in the early 90s Iris Nov 2025 #79

There were no internships in my profession and Boomers JCMach1 Nov 2025 #77

My kids have college degrees and they aren't making much ALBliberal Nov 2025 #53

If we reduce everything to dollars mr715 Nov 2025 #55

If you take 2 years tuition and plunk it in Tech growth stocks bucolic_frolic Nov 2025 #57

Just making the argument for Free Public Colleges JCMach1 Nov 2025 #78

If a student wants to attend an out of state college charging $60k a year tuition, taxpayers should have to pay it ? MichMan Nov 2025 #84

As someone who has spent more than a little time in college classrooms... WarGamer Nov 2025 #67

A better poll question as AI and Data Science grow in importance: Is a Math degree worth the cost and effort? thought crime Nov 2025 #83

The Dumbing Down of America... BH liberal Nov 2025 #85

It is hard to digest when it causes so much debt and even without college debt, salaries are still not great for most themaguffin Nov 2025 #86

Not with its current cost Torchlight Dec 1 #92