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Sympthsical

(10,794 posts)
39. To be fair, we are insane
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 08:56 AM
Sunday

We hosted Thanksgiving this year (32 people, also insane). Included were a lot of cousins and things I've only met maybe once or twice over the years. Somehow conversation after dinner got to housing. These cousins are in their 30s mainly, and they were despairing ever owning a home like the one we have. And to be fair, a few circumstances colluded to allow us to have our house. We're fortunate in that way.

But the conversation centered on the fact they have jobs and careers, and they're simply priced out. Many of them have no children, because what will they do with them? They don't want to have kids while living in a small one or two bedroom apartment. Many of these cousins (and most of my nieces and nephews) live with their parents or grandparents despite being in their late 20s and two of them in their early 30s. They all work.

For the nieces and nephews who are younger that we're more or less responsible for, we've been banging the drum. "Go into healthcare, whatever that looks like." Most of our side works in healthcare. Partner's a manager. His siblings are in nursing. I'm going into nursing. A niece is going into nursing. We finally got a nephew to start an MA program. It's very much, "Figure out what you actually might want to do with this later, but set yourself up for a stable financial situation." My nephew's 25 year old girlfriend just bought a house. She's now an oncology nurse.

Tech is not a guarantee anymore. I have friends who were laid off two, three years ago and are still searching for stable work. With AI, I cannot imagine that's going to get any better.

I legitimately don't know how people manage anything in NorCal. I do know my in-laws are on track to secretly run every hospital system in the Bay Area, tho.

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American Enterprise Institute has only one wing nilram Saturday #1
A fantasy snowybirdie Saturday #2
I would buy this sum is accurate (even low) if one desires to live in an expensive, desirable area AZJonnie Saturday #3
Why shouldn't a "lifestyle" include sports and 2 cars? leftstreet Saturday #5
I think that might be his point. yardwork Sunday #44
Ridiculous Greg_In_SF Saturday #4
When you start with a baseline of 40% dpibel Saturday #11
Well, then it Greg_In_SF Saturday #14
Well, feel free to trot out the figures dpibel Saturday #19
A map.... Greg_In_SF Sunday #32
Now you're just being obtuse dpibel Sunday #43
How dare you call me obtuse Greg_In_SF Sunday #55
DURec leftstreet Saturday #6
"It's laughable to put a poverty line far above the median income in the United States." mountain grammy Saturday #7
Yes, talk about circular logic! yardwork Sunday #45
Mr. Green's numbers sound about right. mwmisses4289 Saturday #8
"minimum rent in most areas is around $2000 a month" -Extremely wrong Wiz Imp Saturday #12
Be interesting to see how they came up with those numbers. mwmisses4289 Saturday #13
It's from the American Community Survey Wiz Imp Saturday #16
You'd have to limit the options to housing appropriate to a family of 4 EdmondDantes_ Saturday #17
I was responding to the claim that minimum rent was at leas $2000 Wiz Imp Saturday #23
That post mentioned families, and in the larger context of the thread EdmondDantes_ Sunday #49
✋ 🙄🫨😒🧱💤🚫🫷「 ✦ Bye ✦ 」 Wiz Imp Sunday #50
In my area in NC even a run-down unsafe apartment is more than $1,000. yardwork Sunday #46
Green's required net income: $118,009. The $136,500 is gross. For a family of 4. Celerity Saturday #26
That's another reason a lot of people Haggard Celine Sunday #33
That was the reason my wife worked part time until our daughter was old enough for elementary school NickB79 Sunday #41
Anyone hiring young people to six figures Johonny Sunday #42
Don't know national averages but a little perspective JT45242 Sunday #51
Several points here. First, "laughable to put a poverty line far above the median income" is itself laughable unblock Saturday #9
The basic definition of poverty is this: Wiz Imp Saturday #25
The observations have merit, even if the specific application of conclusion doesn't. unblock Sunday #31
I would think for most families of 4 it's enough to live on but very little disposable income for extras. Raftergirl Saturday #10
Good point Greg_In_SF Saturday #15
Big jump, no? dpibel Saturday #20
I see my Greg_In_SF Monday #56
LOL dpibel Monday #57
LOL!!! valleyrogue Saturday #18
But I believe you've missed the point dpibel Saturday #21
Residents making an annual income of up to $109,700 who are living in Marin, San Francisco, San Mateo, Santa Clara and Celerity Saturday #22
To be fair, we are insane Sympthsical Sunday #39
Michael Green is a moron. Wiz Imp Saturday #24
This is a very convincing argument dpibel Sunday #27
Disagree (after reading it fully) & the $136,500 figure is gross, his required net income: $118,009. For a family of 4. Celerity Sunday #30
Spot on! DFW Sunday #37
Hyperbole much? JonAndKatePlusABird Sunday #40
Depends where you live. OAITW r.2.0 Sunday #28
People with decent incomes and wealth live beyond their means JI7 Sunday #29
That seems a rather blanket statement, sorta like "every immigrant from India is a math genius" DFW Sunday #48
I wouldn't call it a "poverty" line, but the "living wage" line. Below that, government subsidies are necessary. nt Blasphemer Sunday #34
you lose more than you gain as you move up from very low income levels Celerity Sunday #36
+1 Really good article leftstreet Sunday #47
Depends on Location and Demographics DET Sunday #35
The reactions to this are so goddamn illuminating WhiskeyGrinder Sunday #38
While most of the posts in this thread have been about housing costs, PoindexterOglethorpe Sunday #52
Child care is the largest cost in the OP article's example. Larger than housing cost. Celerity Sunday #54
"It's laughable to put a poverty line far above the median income in the United States." Grins Sunday #53
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