It is not an act of loyalty to quash conversations about our own party's role in getting to where we are today.

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187. That's not an accurate metaphor for your point

It's not honest about the level of vitriol (which goes both ways, but you're arguing for one side) in the opinions, and such a non-issue example where there's no possible harm from just doing it the way you want.

Let's compare that to people saying voting to end the shutdown was killing the ACA and traitors to the party, and with absolute certainty that if we just kept holding out that we would have gotten the ACA subsidies extended.

Look at the way anyone disagreeing in this thread is talked about "cheerleaders" "finger waggers". Disagreeing is labeled as inherently trying to shut down discussion (as if saying that isn't trying to dismiss discussion that isn't agreement).

None of this is to say that the same doesn't happen in reverse because it obviously does. But to make progress, both sides need to engage in good faith with each other. Outside of some trolls nobody here is in favor of Republicans. We disagree on tactics and strategies, but not the larger goals. We all should try harder to remember that.