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harumph

(3,451 posts)
4. I would say, after Nixon, there was a chance to right the ship.
Thu Jun 4, 2026, 09:40 AM
11 hrs ago

Sadly, our macho culture thought Carter had been a wimp with the whole Iranian hostage crisis and voted for Reagan. Reagan was the introduction of supply-side economics, tax cuts for the wealthy, poo-pooing of alternative energy, and, the common practice of disparaging the poor and non-white citizenry on the one hand and the valorizing of so-called "job creators" on the other. The beginnings of right wing radio expansion were during the Reagan era. Managing to be both an arrogant puppet and self righteous prick (see his HUAC testimony) not enough people had the wisdom to see through the bullshit. The morality of the demographic - the 30% that intractably support TSF, was formed during Reagan era. The dismantling of the Soviet Union began during Reagan's time and the stupid fucking republicans had NO PLAN IN PLACE to assist the transition of the former CCCP to a democracy. Instead, the CCCP was sold off for scrap to the Oligarchs. To be fair, Clinton didn't do shit for Russia either. I remember arguing in the 1990s that if we didn't actively step up to the plate to help Russia inoculate themselves against the toxicity of the former Soviet Union, it would become the failed crime state with nukes. One idiotic decision after another.

Edited to add: I believe the reason we did not assist Russia economically was because our corporate class were afraid of competition. Russia has an educated citizenry and amazing natural resources (but) has lacked sufficient capital and supply chains to leverage them. Now it's run by a parasitic oligarchic class with an extraction mindset. The oligarchs could not care less about innovation as long as their territory provides enough oil and minerals to fuel their yachts.

That's what it felt like to me. Thinking about it now brings those feelings back. Biophilic 12 hrs ago #1
Then we topped the whole decade off with Kent State. The 60s were truly over. Walleye 12 hrs ago #2
Yes, not just one assassination or event but the culmination. End of an era. txwhitedove 11 hrs ago #6
Kennedy and KS azureblue 51 min ago #43
The people in charge knew what would happen if they gave those weekend warriors live ammo and crowd control Walleye 35 min ago #47
This still makes me misty Dave in VA 53 min ago #42
Me too azureblue 47 min ago #44
I have been saying that the younger generation is angry with us and disappointed Walleye 33 min ago #49
I've been saying that for at least 50 years CanonRay 11 hrs ago #3
I would say, after Nixon, there was a chance to right the ship. harumph 11 hrs ago #4
When they let Nixon skate for the good of the country. Blue Full Moon 10 hrs ago #12
I think the assassination of MLK, Jr. had even more impact. yardwork 11 hrs ago #5
I Disagree. In Terms Of Civil Rights, Of Course. But RFK Was Going.... ColoringFool 10 hrs ago #11
I will disagree with that. Most of the delegates were chosen in the backroom rurallib 10 hrs ago #16
What? llmart 58 min ago #41
no mokeyz 9 hrs ago #23
I agree. intheflow 8 hrs ago #28
It did, azureblue 45 min ago #45
I felt that way at the time.. mountain grammy 11 hrs ago #7
Actually, RFK was shot in the early a.m. of June 5, & pronounced dead on June 6, which is the usual date associated.... ColoringFool 10 hrs ago #8
Was it Eastern or Pacific time? 12:31AM or 12:32? Chasstev365 10 hrs ago #13
Sixties Peak unweird 10 hrs ago #9
That would be a great topic for a time travel story Unwind Your Mind 10 hrs ago #10
A lot of things changed in the 90s videohead5 10 hrs ago #14
Yes! Chasstev365 10 hrs ago #15
Ken Starr's ascension was a real turning point for this country. (eom) StevieM 8 hrs ago #29
Regean azureblue 42 min ago #46
..... markie 10 hrs ago #17
😢 Chasstev365 10 hrs ago #18
I was getting ready to post that song. wnylib 3 hrs ago #33
Wow...disappointing! electric_blue68 3 hrs ago #35
That was a bad day for me BeneteauBum 10 hrs ago #19
The 1971 Powell Memo finished kicking us off the cliff. Ralph Nader's assessment of what we've lost. jmbar2 10 hrs ago #20
I would say it began with the assassination of President Kennedy dlk 10 hrs ago #21
Yup! mokeyz 9 hrs ago #22
I remember it all..... 😔 electric_blue68 9 hrs ago #24
Thanks for sharing your vivid memories of those horrible times. erronis 3 hrs ago #31
Oh, hey, thanks. electric_blue68 3 hrs ago #32
My brother volunteered in RFK's office during the campaign. appleannie1 9 hrs ago #25
The nation goes forward and the nation slips backward. CBHagman 9 hrs ago #26
I am willing to be contrarian on this point. NNadir 8 hrs ago #27
Bush/Florida 2000 created Trump DemocracyForever 7 hrs ago #30
Yep, the ruling class took over completely from that point. BlueTsunami2018 3 hrs ago #34
If Senator Kennedy hadn't become President, and remained on politics; he still would have been an Active Voice for... electric_blue68 3 hrs ago #36
Thats the date i felt i left my childhood behind. slightlv 2 hrs ago #37
I say it went down the wrong track a few months prior when the Tet Offensive started. Crowman2009 1 hr ago #38
*Sigh* NBachers 1 hr ago #39
On July 4th 1968 a WWII era submarine was anchored in Edgartown Harbor Martha's Vineyard Submariner 1 hr ago #40
and this is why azureblue 34 min ago #48
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