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Javaman

(64,160 posts)
47. want to know why we lost?
Wed May 14, 2025, 11:10 AM
May 14

here is the very hard truth.

once upon a time, the Dems were the party of the working class. but since the early 80's when ray-gun changed the landscape, one too many dems jumped on the band wagon believing that conservatism was the way and they party moved to the right.

those that the supported the dems, felt abandoned and chose to fall for the flowery words of "morning in America" to follow. because while it was all bullshit, it was a concise message that was easy to digest and go with. the working class thought the repukes were talking to them.

the dems being the dems, couldn't coalesce into a unified message until Clinton came along, but Clinton, like him or not, chose a version of the democratic platform that was less old time messaging and more centrist right.

then came NAFTA. While on paper and how it was promoted sounded great, but in reality, it really kinda sucked for the average American blue collar worker. Jobs they thought were safe vanished because wealthy corporations saw the opportunity to open shop in 3rd world countries to make their productions cheaper and without Unions.

and during this time? the workers felt left out and forgotten by the Dems.

this is all very simplified

we now have a golden opportunity to bring them back.

Bernie and AOC know the score and how to do it. by countering everything the rebukes say with townhalls that the rebukes are too chicken to show up to.

this is how we win, not by blaming the previous administration. Biden was good, but old. Kamala was fantastic but held back. She should have let Tim Walz loose to be himself but they kept him on a short lease. People were eating up what he was saying then and now but not during the campaign.

stop playing nice, stop trying to be polite. that is the way to go. talk directly to the working class, which is: if you work for a paycheck, you are working class and the rich are taking the money right out our pockets.

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Sounds like a book about bullshit Bayard May 13 #1
None of it was fact checked... 2naSalit May 14 #49
I have no doubt Biden JBTaurus83 May 13 #2
We're not always running 75-90 year-olds. brush May 14 #32
Nobody is saying he wasn't effective. But we could all see he was diminishing. We all have eyes and ears!! Pisces May 13 #3
Sure jan tintinvotes May 13 #4
He would have lost worse than Kamala did JBTaurus83 May 13 #6
Sure jan tintinvotes May 13 #7
Good grief MadameButterfly May 14 #17
LOL Skittles May 14 #21
I agree JBTaurus83 May 13 #5
Great, now we have a 78 year old man who can't actually think, and many people hoping he will die Walleye May 14 #31
I would take Biden on his worst day over any day with trump. Katinfl May 14 #39
It's creepy. They just can't quit Joe Biden. Walleye May 14 #43
I pray for his death JustAnotherGen May 14 #40
It's not an either/or RedArkGuy May 13 #9
From what I've seen on the Threads App JustAnotherGen May 14 #41
A simple comparison of videos from 2020 & 2024 showed the obvious Callie1979 May 14 #33
Who needs a lying book: C Moon May 13 #8
As Bill Maher said, "I'll take Biden's head floating in green fluid in a lab jar to trump." Silent Type May 14 #10
Sure jan tintinvotes May 14 #11
No one here radical noodle May 14 #12
Sure jan tintinvotes May 14 #13
Yeah, right. And what precipitated what happened in the last election? We had no chance after June 27th to beat trump. Silent Type May 14 #14
👌 tintinvotes May 14 #15
Unfortunately SocialDemocrat61 May 14 #16
Post removed Post removed May 14 #20
sure Jan Skittles May 14 #22
Nice try Jan tintinvotes May 14 #25
You're ignoring the fact that AFTER that debate there'd be 4.5 more YEARS to go Callie1979 May 14 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles May 14 #52
It was not only one performance MadameButterfly May 14 #18
Post removed Post removed May 14 #26
And continuing to ignore reality is how we lose AGAIN. Callie1979 May 14 #34
I don't believe this BS book videohead5 May 14 #19
The interview where he threw Kamala under the bus? MadameButterfly May 15 #53
How did he throw her videohead5 May 15 #54
I equate this book with the insidious situation my friend is going through. no_hypocrisy May 14 #23
You are describing elder abuse. madaboutharry May 14 #27
My friend won't report this. I had to go to Adult Protective Services. no_hypocrisy May 14 #30
Did Adult Protective Services do anything? Katinfl May 14 #42
Just here to say this is breaking my heart. Alice B. May 14 #45
It's interesting that this is from the BBC SocialDemocrat61 May 14 #24
How about Tapper report on Trumps mental state, something that really matters. The coward won't. dem4decades May 14 #28
And yet shithole is breaking the law and ignoring the Constitution.................. Lovie777 May 14 #29
wow, what a circular firing squad in this thread. Javaman May 14 #35
I agree. But how we win in '26 & '28 is to figure out how/why we lost in '24 Callie1979 May 14 #37
We lost because the American public is easily manipulated Keepthesoulalive May 14 #38
Keep believing thats the "why" & we'll lose again. Callie1979 May 15 #57
Too many democrats sat this one out. Katinfl May 14 #44
About the same number skipped 2020 too. I dont get it either Callie1979 May 15 #58
want to know why we lost? Javaman May 14 #47
But ask those who voted for Biden & Obama but then voted for trump what they think Callie1979 May 15 #56
Can they do the same deep dive on the current 78 year old treating the country like his business? Brainfodder May 14 #46
ANYTHING to deflect attention from the most corrupt regime in national history. Paladin May 14 #48
I do not believe that President Biden was that disabled LetMyPeopleVote May 14 #50
If you bothered to read the reports Deminpenn May 14 #51
Time for some Amazon reviews. Vinca May 15 #55
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