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Ms. Toad

(37,503 posts)
15. It is magical thinking to assert it is NOT the beginning of the end.
Mon May 19, 2025, 01:06 PM
May 2025

In a study published last year, 43% of men diagnosed with prostate cancer with a Gleason score of 9 or 10 died of prostate cancer within the follow-up period (an average of 8.3 years).

https://euoncology.europeanurology.com/article/S2588-9311(23)00244-4/fulltext

Regardless of improved treatments, advanced prostate cancer is still a killer.

Does that mean Biden will die from it? No. He may be one of the lucky ones who go into remission. But nearly one in two still die from prostate cancer diagnosed in the grade group in which he was diagnosed. Not to mention that not all of those in the study had metastasis, which worsens the odds of long term survival.

We also don't know whether his Gleason score was 5+4 or 4+5. The former has a significantly worse prognosis.

And people make different choices about treatment. Many cancer treatments are not gentle - some people choose quality of life over quantity of life.

I am sharing this as someone living with two types of cancer - both currently in remission. One of the cancers is very aggressive, and I am in a support group for that cancer. I regularly see both death and the loss in quality of remaining life that insisting on beating cancer at all costs causes. From that perspective, magical thinking does as much harm as doomsday thinking.

I wish him great medical advice, and the pressure-free space to make the decisions which are best for himself and for his family.

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If This Is The Start Of The End... TomJulie May 2025 #1
It is NOT the start of the end. There is so much misinformation today because too many people do NOT JohnSJ May 2025 #3
Thank you, John. sheshe2 May 2025 #12
It is magical thinking to assert it is NOT the beginning of the end. Ms. Toad May 2025 #15
Now you are a medical expert, and Dr. Mark Scholz knows nothing. No surprise JohnSJ May 2025 #18
Please point out where I said, it even implied, he knows nothing. Ms. Toad May 2025 #22
I interpreted "Magical Thinking" as implied. Not a cure, but living with the condition. One thing I do appreciate JohnSJ May 2025 #25
Bone mets. So much pain. travelingthrulife May 2025 #2
Not always. Ms. Toad May 2025 #16
Is this Willow? question everything May 2025 #4
It looks like her BumRushDaShow May 2025 #8
Part of the "big" is camera distribution. n/t Ms. Toad May 2025 #17
It looks like he was doing a "selfie" BumRushDaShow May 2025 #20
Cancer research has helped dramatically. Best to you Joe. You da man. twodogsbarking May 2025 #5
Stay strong, Joe! Bayard May 2025 #6
🙏❤️ littlemissmartypants May 2025 #7
This is hard news to take Marthe48 May 2025 #9
Fuck cancer all the way off! CapnSteve May 2025 #14
"We are strongest in the broken places." Paladin May 2025 #10
I bet Joe and or Jill wrote that well crafted phrase. I remember when he was coming into office... Botany May 2025 #19
Yeah, the Good Old Days... Paladin May 2025 #21
1 of the 1st people Biden brought onto his team was a PhD from California who had won a Nobel Prize Botany May 2025 #24
I feel for her. calimary May 2025 #11
💙💙💙 sheshe2 May 2025 #13
Quoting Hemingway, I see. ananda May 2025 #23
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