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Violet_Crumble

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109. Yr list isn't too dissimilar to mine...

Fri May 30, 2025, 08:21 AM

May 30

I'm lazy, and in all the years I've been at DU I'd never thought about the Israel/Palestine shorthand label. Not really sure what else to refer to it as, though.

Agree on those primary sources. I haven't read any of those books you mentioned, but have read 'A History of Modern Palestine' by Ilan Pappe, and 'Righteous Victims' by Benny Morris. Tom Segev's 'One Palestine, Complete' and 'The Iron Wall' by Avi Shlaim are also up there for me. One thing that Israel excels at it producing excellent historians. And to show what a broad range of reading I used to do on the conflict, I've got books by Alan Derschowitz and Norman Finkelstein sitting next to each other.

I suspect the area we'd well and truly part ways on is reports from human rights organisations. Not sure what you think of B'selem, but I think they're the most reputable out of all the groups.

On the subject of snark, I indulged in an unprovoked bit myself in another post in this thread to you, so I'll leave that one be and move on in a much less snarky fashion...

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Netanyahu says Hamas Gaza chief Mohammad Sinwar has been killed [View all] mahatmakanejeeves May 28 OP

Now that both Sinwars are gone, will that move the needle? maxsolomon May 28 #1

Hamas is drowning Richard D May 28 #2

Hamas leaders are still in Lebanon and Qatar, aren't they? maxsolomon May 28 #3

Lebanon, Qatar, Turkey . . . Richard D May 28 #5

Agreed - and Israel's Leadership won't let up JustAnotherGen May 28 #4

Indeed Richard D May 28 #6

I keep wondering JustAnotherGen May 28 #7

An ancient question, made current. Richard D May 28 #11

I very much JustAnotherGen May 28 #39

When anything less than a total victory is called a surrender you might want to rethink what you are doing. Eko May 28 #15

I have thought about it, a lot Richard D May 28 #18

So anything other than a total victory is a surrender and the enemy is cancer and needs to be totally eliminated. Eko May 28 #19

What else would you say . . . Richard D May 28 #23

This is what gets me. Eko May 28 #27

I understand that it gets you. Richard D May 28 #30

hamas said it wont negotiate? Eko May 28 #34

Lest you think I am exagurating Richard D May 28 #33

No, I don't think you are exaggerating at all. Eko May 28 #35

The difference is vast. Richard D May 28 #36

Are you going to kill the hamas government officals who work at the water plants? Eko May 28 #37

Hamas is a terrorist organization Richard D May 28 #41

They are also the government of Gaza. Eko May 28 #44

Splitting hairs . . . Richard D May 29 #75

I'm going by your words. Eko May 29 #77

Which is, for the most part . . . Richard D May 29 #79

Really? Eko May 29 #80

Talking about cancer treatment . . . Richard D May 29 #81

People are not cancer. Eko May 29 #82

True, nor are they animals . . . Richard D May 29 #83

I find it amazing that some people who support the Jewish state think that people are worse than a cancer. Eko May 29 #84

No dear, Richard D May 29 #85

That was just a step after thousands of steps. The history of all this started long ago. Eko May 29 #86

When you say . . . Richard D May 29 #89

Its not an excuse at all its history and I have a good idea of the history. Eko May 29 #92

Was it me JustAnotherGen May 28 #40

Kill em all huh? Eko May 28 #43

Yes JustAnotherGen May 29 #71

Thankfully here in the US we dont kill people for their beliefs. Eko May 29 #78

Really? JustAnotherGen May 29 #99

Jeeze Eko May 29 #100

Yes - you know why JustAnotherGen May 29 #102

You sure do put a lot of words in my mouth. Eko May 29 #103

Oh JustAnotherGen May 29 #106

You talk about me reading the room while you proclaim what my beliefs are without ever asking them. Eko May 29 #104

Nope JustAnotherGen May 29 #105

Personally I think John Brown had the right idea but hey, you're right. Eko May 29 #107

Bunk. Heard that for years. Grins May 28 #55

Now with that idiolology . . . Richard D May 29 #76

So when we killed Hitler did that get rid of all the Nazis? Eko May 29 #88

The Nuremberg trials . . . Richard D May 29 #90

And did it get rid of Nazis? Eko May 29 #93

you tell me Richard D May 29 #95

I just showed you a modern picture of Nazis so I guess I told you. Eko May 29 #96

Yup, you sure showed me, you did! Richard D May 29 #101

And, do not ignore the fact . . . Richard D May 29 #91

They offered two of those and it was rejected. Eko May 29 #94

How many more Sinwars?? Canada Kid May 28 #8

"Animals'? Really? Israel's been STEALING their land for decades, WTF are they supposed to do? And besides, Exp May 28 #10

For sure . . . Richard D May 28 #12

Geeezuz, again with the ... I am only against what Bibi and the IDF have been doing, it has nothing to do with how Exp May 28 #21

You neither stated IDF . . . Richard D May 29 #74

I have to ask you if it is possible to separate nationalism from religion. Since you refer to all Israelis and defenders Exp May 30 #111

Well, no . . . Richard D May 30 #112

You answered my question and that answer is "no". So political policies that are wrong in the eyes of the Exp May 30 #113

You will, of course . . . Richard D May 30 #114

I'm okay knowing that most of the world is with me while Trump and Bibi are on board with your way of thinking. Exp May 30 #115

My pleasure! Richard D May 30 #116

Projection is all the rage these days, eh? Exp May 30 #117

It seems to be . . . Richard D May 30 #118

For those of us not as attuned to bigotry as you are... Violet_Crumble May 28 #58

I don't think you . . . Richard D May 29 #73

It was sarcasm with a dash of snark... Violet_Crumble May 30 #108

Apologies accepted Richard D May 30 #110

Can we start with the post that you reacted to? Violet_Crumble Jun 1 #120

I enjoyed the ramble . . . Richard D Jun 1 #121

Do your information check!! Canada Kid May 28 #13

History. Eko May 28 #16

Exactly. And if you're surrounded by people who hate you, maybe THEY aren't the problem. nt Exp May 28 #22

There was the 1948 Partition and "Settlers" on a Biblical mission took over Palestinian lands. It's in the Exp May 28 #20

Which books are you reading? Beastly Boy May 28 #25

All the books I've read pretty much cover all that... Violet_Crumble May 29 #62

Neither the format nor the environment on DU permit anything but the most superficial inquiries Beastly Boy May 29 #72

Yr list isn't too dissimilar to mine... Violet_Crumble May 30 #109

I don't know if your post was meant as sarcasm. Here is some more history.. AloeVera May 28 #53

Great! Now it's time for Netanyahu. nt Exp May 28 #9

Problem when you kill the head honcho... Xolodno May 28 #14

"a nice sound bite after murdering 50k civilians" So no Hamas dead then? EX500rider May 28 #26

This reasoning is exactly why cycle continues. Xolodno May 28 #29

You mean wars are generally the same. What was the IDF's Plan B after 10/7? Stern letter? Finger wagging? EX500rider May 28 #32

Oh good grief. Talk about false equivalencies.... Xolodno May 28 #42

Sounds like your plan was to give them more weapons? EX500rider May 28 #47

Nope. Xolodno May 28 #49

lol, nice projection....fail EX500rider May 28 #56

My point... Xolodno May 28 #60

And as always on the internet when you stoop to personal attacks it means you've lost the argument EX500rider May 29 #64

Do you live in SoCal? Xolodno May 29 #66

Except I'm not angry or frustrated EX500rider May 29 #67

What's with the personal attacks? You know this violates DU terms of service, don't you? Beastly Boy May 28 #57

Hmm, I do think they've got it right... Violet_Crumble May 29 #61

Did I ever call anyone "a goof recruit for Hamas" for disagreeing with me? Beastly Boy May 29 #87

Wasn't a personal attack. Hell, I'll buy a beer for him. Xolodno May 29 #63

Except you are wrong, I feel zero "anger & rage" about the Israel/Hamas war EX500rider May 29 #97

I once had a friend who got insulted and was offered a beer by that same man. I tried to hold him back, but he prevailed Beastly Boy May 29 #98

"Again, you are the one defending Bibi" Dave Bowman May 29 #69

No better reason to have Hamas disarmed and disbanded. Beastly Boy May 28 #28

Yes, the methods used for the past half century or so have worked tremendously... Xolodno May 28 #31

Those methods include numerous peace plans rejected by the Palestinians Beastly Boy May 28 #38

Yes, bombing the shit out of Gaza, raids in the West Bank will end indoctrination. Xolodno May 28 #46

So you didn't find a single instance of attempted opposition of radical indoctrination in gazan schools. Beastly Boy May 28 #48

And yet... Xolodno May 28 #50

And yet... you keep deflecting and making stuff up. Beastly Boy May 28 #52

So be it. Xolodno May 28 #59

Changes nothing. Johnny2X2X May 28 #17

Yeah, right. Richard D May 28 #24

Will Trump take the credit, proclaim victory and peace and stop selling arms to any of t he participants? Ping Tung May 28 #45

Netanyahu must be so proud PJMcK May 28 #51

This will piss off supporters of freedom fighters. nt LexVegas May 28 #54

Are you talking about supporters of Hamas? Violet_Crumble May 29 #65

"the problem is there's always more to take their place." It speeds up "The Peter Principle" EX500rider May 30 #119

And it only took tens of thousands of murdered Palestinian children to get him. Orrex May 29 #68

+1 👍 Dave Bowman May 29 #70