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In reply to the discussion: Disney says 'Jimmy Kimmel Live' will return to ABC on Tuesday [View all]thesquanderer
(12,776 posts)109. Yes, he said what he said... but those words don't say what many people seem to think they do.
Here again are the words:
Kimmel said during his monologue last Monday that the MAGA gang was desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it.
What Kimmel is saying there... looking at his actual words:
He said the MAGA gang was trying to characterize the killer as ANYTHING other than one of them. What does this refer to? It means that MAGA folk were saying things like "the killer was a leftist!" or "the killer was conservative, but not MAGA, but rather from an anti-MAGA right-wing group!" or "the killer was a gay activist," whatever -- All kinds of stuff was being thrown around, MAGA people just wanted to be able to pin it on ANYTHING that would not be MAGA. As I see it, this is the entirety of what the first part of the quoted statement ( desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them" ) says. Agreed?
Specifically, NOWHERE there did Kimmel suggest the killer was MAGA, nor did he suggest that the killer was not MAGA. He said nothing at all about whether or not the killer was MAGA. Rather, he was saying that, even though NOBODY KNEW whether the killer was MAGA or not, the MAGA people were putting out any theory they could come up with that would point the finger away from the killer being one of them. I would say that this is a reasonable perspective, and indeed a true statement, and most importantly here, takes no position whatsoever on whether the killer actually was or was not MAGA.
Let's go on to the rest of the quote... the MAGA gang was "doing everything they can to score political points from it." Again, a reasonable perspective, and I'd say a true statement, and again, makes no assertion whatsoever about whether the killer was or was not MAGA.
So from start to finish, in that quote, he's talking about what MAGA people were saying about the killer and the killing, what MAGA people were trying to get people to believe (ahead of any known facts), and how they were trying to reap political benefit from it. All true. And all without EVER asserting that the killer was MAGA. The whole point is that nobody knew. Even today we don't know.
It's not great that he was suspended for what might be seen by some as a "politically incorrect" statement, but it's worse that he was suspended for saying something he did not say; and even worse that the media reporting on it rarely made clear that he never actually said what people were accusing him of saying. All these days later, after endless discussion on the topic, a mainstream outlet like CNBC still gets the basic facts wrong, and misses one of the most important elements of the story.
So specifically getting back to the CNBC story, again, nothing in that Kimmel quote linked the alleged killer to the MAGA movement. as CNBC claimed. The Kimmel quote did refer to MAGA folks trying to distance themselves from there being any linkage, but Kimmel did not make any such linkage, he only talked about MAGA folk trying to prevent people from thinking there could possibly be one, when, again, no one knew, either way. And how they were trying to make political hay out of it. And again, all true.
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Yep. That Disney's market value fell between $3 and $4 billion following its suspension of Kimmel had to be a factor
ancianita
Monday
#22
This really should be no surprise. Just the folks that have cancelled Disney+ got their attention. $$$$$
FadedMullet
Monday
#5
Yay! Would be great if Kimmel could get Colbert and Letterman on the show that night. . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Monday
#6
Kimmel announces that Gavin Newsom will be tomorrow nights return to the air guest
Bernardo de La Paz
Monday
#56
No word from Trump yet as he Happy Kimmel had been pulled.......nor from Nexstar and Sinclair......
riversedge
Monday
#32
The backlash to disney and abc compared to the fake anger backlash against Kimmel was even swifter.
mwmisses4289
Monday
#47
Did Kimmel suddenly become the number 1 night show host? I always thought he was probably third in the ratings, but
Sogo
Monday
#34
DEMAND that Bendan Carr be fired so we can post Office and Jack Nicholson Gifs too!
Greybnk48
Monday
#60
Jimmy Kimmel announces that Gavin Newsom will be tomorrow nights return to the air guest.
LetMyPeopleVote
Monday
#53
Their bottom line must have been tanking between the public dropping them and boycotting their sponsors.
appleannie1
Monday
#69
Wouldn't it be funny if he agreed to tone it down, but triples down in his monologue with a hardcore anti-MAGA rant?
Polybius
Monday
#88
At what point will the Felon say he gave permission for ABC to end Kimmel's "suspension".
Buddyzbuddy
Monday
#94
This is really good news for a lot of reasons. This could not have happened in Hungary or Russia. It thwarts the efforts
Fil1957
Monday
#96
Correct. Nothing in that comment linked the alleged killer to Trump or the MAGA movement.
thesquanderer
23 hrs ago
#104
Yes, he said what he said... but those words don't say what many people seem to think they do.
thesquanderer
20 hrs ago
#109
It's not a matter of "personal view," it's that this sentence from their report is objectively false:
thesquanderer
19 hrs ago
#111