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wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
28. Chicken or the egg problem....
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 03:45 PM
Jun 2016

They can't get on the ballot so it is hard to attract support so they can't get on the ballot. They are mostly spoilers anyway, except in very local elections. If we went to a ranked preference ballot, that would eliminate the spoiler issue, but that is too rad for most people to comprehend at this point. Baby steps....

In the meantime, the independent voters exist, and that demographic is growing. The Democratic Party can acknowledge that and try to work with them, convert them to allies, or go the way of the GOP. The GOP is dying, in part, because they can't wrap their heads around the changes in our electorate. I don't want the Dems to make a similar mistake, is all.

We have all been making fun of #BernieMath for the past few month. And lord knows it HAS been amusing. But for us to pretend those independent voters are not a growing force in politics would be the same thing. Ignoring mathematical facts because they do not fit our narrative is not a winning strategy.

IMO, either we let the indy candidates run legit as third-party with a chance to win or we allow them to participate in choosing our party candidates. We can certainly justify shutting them out for the process, but I do not think this is a wise choice, long term. The GOP did that and their base just burned them down. Sanders is the warning shot across the Democratic Party's bow. I do not like Bernie Sanders. Anyone who know my posts knows that is true. But this is not about Sanders, really. It is about how demographics are changing and parties are shifting in this country. You cannot ignore these kinds of demographic shifts and survive politically. It is what it is.

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Join it and participate in it, and to hell with a caucus. Those are anti-democratic. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1
We cannot allow people to come and try to weaken our party ! Her Sister Jun 2016 #2
Good common sense post from Kos. Koinos Jun 2016 #3
The malcontents are the people who can't do the hard work to make an alternate party. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #4
No sale, Bernie. teamster633 Jun 2016 #5
I'm with Kos on this, and where the hell do I sign up? I think the party's rank-n-file should get.. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2016 #6
1000000+ I absolutely agree with you. skylucy Jun 2016 #25
I've been following Presidential elections since the early 1970s, and I don't recall.... George II Jun 2016 #7
That's the truth! SharonClark Jun 2016 #9
My favorite part: NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #8
I think that either we open the primaries or fix the gerrymandering. wildeyed Jun 2016 #10
Isn't that for states to decide? The Democratic party has no business... Walk away Jun 2016 #12
Not sure what you mean. wildeyed Jun 2016 #13
That is what I mean. Walk away Jun 2016 #19
Sure, but we make it hard for third parties in ways that stifle democracy. wildeyed Jun 2016 #22
Gerrymandering is performed by the party in charge, it should be done away with but in Texas Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #14
Democrats gerrymander too. wildeyed Jun 2016 #17
Yes Democrats is also guilty of gerrymandering. Let it go by county lines, they are already drawn Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #18
If a third party is going to be viable they need to be better organized. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #26
Chicken or the egg problem.... wildeyed Jun 2016 #28
Using the leverage of his adoring followers to fire DWS who was leaving after the convention.... Walk away Jun 2016 #11
And, that's his MO.. "petty and mean spirited".. he lost so he has to blame it on anyone Cha Jun 2016 #15
Love KOS.. he speaks for me.. Cha Jun 2016 #16
He speaks for me too! And he has been tearing it up for the last 2-3 months Number23 Jun 2016 #20
I know.. I'm been loving what KOS has had to say about the bernster. Cha Jun 2016 #21
Couldn't agree more. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #23
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Jun 2016 #24
These things are in place to keep from having a Trump on the Democratic ticket liberal N proud Jun 2016 #27
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