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PoindexterOglethorpe

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12. Here's another thing to keep in mind.
Mon Apr 11, 2022, 10:57 PM
Apr 2022

No species lasts forever. Around a million years is a pretty good run. Eventually, a species passes away. And please don't bring up the rare species that have lasted a lot longer, because none of them (things like horseshoe shrimp, lamprey, jellyfish) are not evolving in the direction of intelligence.

Also, the Universe is over 13 billion years old, which is a vastly long time, at least compared to how long humans have been around. So even if intelligent species evolve regularly and go on to create a complex, industrial civilization like ours, it may well be that they simply blow themselves up sooner rather than later, or destroy their planet as we are happily doing. A few thousand years isn't a lot of time. The odds of even two overlapping in time is close to zero.

You also need to think about the precise conditions needed to start life in the first place, and how unusual it may well be for life to get past single cell. On Earth, even though the first life showed up at least 4 billion years ago, it wasn't until 600 million years ago that the first multicellular life evolved. It may not be inevitable. It may well take extremely good luck, as well as a moon like the one we have, which among other things stabilizes our rotation.

But even if my skepticism is wrong, as Treasonous Bastard has pointed out, the vast interstellar distances are probably a permanent barrier. Physicists are pretty certain the the speed of light cannot be exceeded. And for all the blithe assumptions that we can use mythical wormholes to travel vast differences very fast, well even if wormholes are discovered to actually exist, it would probably not be possible to survive getting in one.

If we were to build a ship that could travel at 99% c, the speed of light, you need to remember that space is filled with LOTS of deadly radiation. And, guess what? The faster you travel out in space, the worse it would be, because you would be exposed to all that radiation in a relatively short time. Right now we couldn't possibly shield a ship to make travel that fast possible, although developing very advanced radiation shielding may well be possible. To learn a whole lot more, I highly recommend How To Die In Space by Paul M. Sutter. It's amazing. And funny.

My Son The Astronomer tells me that astronomers are inclined to think we may be pretty much the first advanced civilization around.

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They're letting us age, like wine. dchill Apr 2022 #1
I like your sentence..............."not fit to cleanse the palate".. Stuart G Apr 2022 #2
If aliens like Rembrandt, they have already left. Tetrachloride Apr 2022 #3
Science fiction has played with this idea for years, and has some... TreasonousBastard Apr 2022 #4
There are two thoughts on this matter, equally awesome Otto_Harper Apr 2022 #5
According to My Son The Astronomer, PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2022 #22
They have a Prime Directive. Marcuse Apr 2022 #6
"Case closed"? PJMcK Apr 2022 #7
The hard evidence that I have is very simple: There are millions of planets in the galaxy.. Stuart G Apr 2022 #14
Maybe there is one and only one intelligent life in each galaxy at any one time. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2022 #17
Other theories NJCher Apr 2022 #8
If you lived on an island and could see a MAGAt island, you'd avoid it too. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2022 #9
They came down and saw us being led around by dogs doc03 Apr 2022 #10
More likely, they observe the planet and conclude PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2022 #23
I think maybe God is avoiding us, too. Midnight Writer Apr 2022 #11
Here's another thing to keep in mind. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2022 #12
According to an episode of the "Ancient Aliens" show, the Aliens are... GReedDiamond Apr 2022 #13
I take it you left out the sarcasm emoji. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2022 #15
Hoped it would be unnecessary - nt. GReedDiamond Apr 2022 #16
Whew! I was only slightly concerned. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2022 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2022 #19
"Aliens" are probably already here and PufPuf23 May 2022 #20
My take.. quickesst Aug 2022 #21
AND GUESS WHAT?..."IT AIN'T UP TO US IF ALIENS EXIST" iS THAT CORRECT? Stuart G Aug 2022 #24
Your post reminded me.. quickesst Aug 2022 #25
I love that joke. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2022 #27
Thanks quickesst Aug 2022 #28
What TFG learned from those Top Secret documents: Backseat Driver Aug 2022 #26
They have not visited our universe! It like saying ghosts are real! Nt USALiberal Sep 2022 #29
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