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eppur_se_muova

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5. Hydrogen is being used there as ejectable mass, nothing more. It's handled by mechanical pumps and pressure.
Sat May 16, 2026, 11:59 AM
May 16

In contrast, ionized gases/plasmas interact with both electric and magnetic fields to produce that equal-and-opposite thrust. The electrostatic ion engine seems to be favored by high mass/charge ratio -- high m, low v means a lower delta-mv for the same delta-m(v-squared), I guess. Thrust is controlled by the electric field, whereas the classic rocket equation relies only on thermal energy (from combustion, or nuclear reactor) to give gas molecules velocity. I'm assuming MPD (a variation on MHD, presumably) creates large magnetic fields through discharges in the conducting plasma, but I'm really guessing there -- I'd really like to see a basic-math treatment of both.

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Another fucking waste of money. 3Hotdogs May 16 #1
Previous ion engines have favored very heavy atoms as propellant -- mercury or xenon. More atomic mass -- eppur_se_muova May 16 #2
The NERVA engine used hydrogen, so (you know) lithium is heavier than that, but certainly lighter than mercury OKIsItJustMe May 16 #4
Hydrogen is being used there as ejectable mass, nothing more. It's handled by mechanical pumps and pressure. eppur_se_muova May 16 #5
Check out the NASA paper I added to the bottom of the reply OKIsItJustMe May 16 #6
Thanks for the paper. I knew about the older nuclear interest. eppur_se_muova May 16 #7
NERVA was not the same as Orion OKIsItJustMe May 16 #8
Yes, I know that, thank you. In fact you're just repeating things I've already said in my replies. nt eppur_se_muova May 16 #10
We both realize that (I was even repeating myself) OKIsItJustMe May 16 #12
Ah, OK ... writing for a larger audience ... eppur_se_muova May 16 #14
I've been watching "For All Mankind" on Apple TV OKIsItJustMe May 16 #15
Isn't lithium in somewhat short supply? erronis May 16 #3
Meanwhile, at a grossly overspent under intellectual trump supported SpaceX 3825-87867 May 16 #9
NASA is facing serious cuts OKIsItJustMe May 16 #11
More from the paper cited by OKIsItJustMe .... eppur_se_muova May 16 #13
"It must have been a real pleasure to work out the mathematics of MPD for the first time..." OKIsItJustMe May 16 #16
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