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deurbano

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41. Agree to disagree. And you are already blaming me "and people like" me for
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 08:22 PM
Jun 2017

future losses when revelations about what happened during the election are still unfolding?

The Republicans have done nothing but scream and throw tantrums and here they are. We need to become better at "working the refs" as Eric Alterman has often pointed out. The Republicans are experts at it, so the media kiss their asses, while the polite, civil, "let's just move on... nothing to see here" Democrats are rewarded with the NYT and Washington Post posting excerpts from a sleazy, completely un-newsworthy Breitbart publication, "Clinton Cash" just as Clinton begins her campaign. They always feel they have to bend over backwards to preemptively trash our side to satisfy the perpetually aggrieved and whining right-wing cry babies who are always shrieking about the liberal media. (Just so the whiners can later scream "FAKE NEWS!" anyway.)

Franklin was answering a question and he barely said anything, BUT he also said Clinton has a right to analyze what happened.

“And I think she has a right to analyze what happened, but we do have to move on. And we have to move on by proving we are the party that cares about a lot of the people who voted for Donald Trump.”

I agree with him. (Not that I am prepared to give a rat's ass about Trump voters just yet, given where they have brought us... but yes, work on our proposals and messaging, and show them how screwed they are under 45, and why Dems are better.) But It's possible to look to the future while also exposing the truth of what came before. In fact, we can't really come up with a winning strategy without correctly identifying WHY we lost. Clinton earned the right to point out what SHE thinks went wrong. Just read the Charles Pierce article. He's not some big Clinton apologist.

Comey was a giant issue. (Even 45's pollster said Comey cost Clinton the election.) What about fake news? Russia's role? The "liberal" press (see "Clinton Cash" above)? Voter suppression (very successful in Wisconsin, for example)? Misogyny? White nationalism... and racism, in general? The state of the DNC when Clinton's campaign began? (Hadn't heard that before.) Some Sanders' supporters (I started out as one) were not just pro-Sanders but anti-Clinton, and said she was basically the same as that disgusting piece of orange filth. (Did that cost votes in close states by dampening voter enthusiasm, leading to third party, write-in or no voting?) Maybe you don't agree with all of these possible issues... or any of them... but identifying what went wrong is a necessary precursor to making sure it doesn't happen again. I mean, we can't cure misogyny, but maybe if we shriek loudly enough about it, it will at least be on the radar. And who cares anymore what anyone thinks about the shrieking or the shriekers? Look where we are! Shrieking works.

My daughter saw Elizabeth Warren, yesterday, and she said Democrats can be too nice when it comes to politics. I agree.

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Noticed before the Evening News Cycle, Wellstone ruled Jun 2017 #1
As always. nt jrthin Jun 2017 #2
With the speed of infomation Wellstone ruled Jun 2017 #5
andrea is so jealous.. the green eyed monster Cha Jun 2017 #7
She sure carries a chip on shoulder big time. Wellstone ruled Jun 2017 #13
Most qualified candidate to run for President, period. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #3
Same as during the election. DU was one of few places I could voice my support openly without attack JHan Jun 2017 #4
What A Wonderful Article Me. Jun 2017 #6
It felt so good to read this. I'm sick and tired of being told that she lost, and I should get over lunamagica Jun 2017 #8
This entire website came into being murielm99 Jun 2017 #11
Good point! nt SunSeeker Jun 2017 #17
Here ye, here ye iluvtennis Jun 2017 #33
That is a great read brer cat Jun 2017 #9
Ask Kathy Griffin about getting angry. yallerdawg Jun 2017 #10
John Kerry got very angry in public in 2006, and Hillary was amongst those geek tragedy Jun 2017 #16
Hillary has never told anyone to "get the f@ck off the stage." nt SunSeeker Jun 2017 #18
asdf geek tragedy Jun 2017 #21
Good grief. She said his joke was inappropriate. LisaM Jun 2017 #22
"we don't have to be refighting the 2004 election." geek tragedy Jun 2017 #23
I think you're cherry picking, but we'll have to agree to disagree. LisaM Jun 2017 #25
So you apparently admit she never said that. SunSeeker Jun 2017 #31
KnR Hekate Jun 2017 #12
KnR cadmium Jun 2017 #14
It happens right here on DU. Many outspoken Hillary supporters are alert-stalked. SunSeeker Jun 2017 #15
And they seem to stay there in limbo forever. murielm99 Jun 2017 #19
I have no idea, but I really miss them. Some of my faborite posters are among them. SunSeeker Jun 2017 #20
See this reply when I asked the admins a similar question: spooky3 Jun 2017 #36
yes,i got flagged and banned from just saying that "I liked bernie, but I supported demigoddess Jun 2017 #34
This is a terrific article and it brought tears to my eyes. LisaM Jun 2017 #24
Nope , not getting over it. Not now , not ever. apcalc Jun 2017 #26
Here's what one of Hilary's longest, most loyal supporters has to say: Les Cowbell Jun 2017 #27
Really? DownriverDem Jun 2017 #30
It's not about Bernie Les Cowbell Jun 2017 #37
"Hillary Clinton Must Not Be Silent" We can't forget the extraordinary events that put Donald Trump deurbano Jun 2017 #32
And if "the fight" leads to more repub wins? Les Cowbell Jun 2017 #38
And if "not fighting" leads to more repub wins? You're ok with that? deurbano Jun 2017 #39
If you think blaming fellow Dems and rerunning the 2016 election is "fighting" the repubs ... Les Cowbell Jun 2017 #40
Agree to disagree. And you are already blaming me "and people like" me for deurbano Jun 2017 #41
More of us DownriverDem Jun 2017 #28
Hillary won. lark Jun 2017 #29
And this most be said over, and over again. It's the truth, and we will NOT lunamagica Jun 2017 #35
K&R PunkinPi Jun 2017 #42
We will always matter myraphilips Mar 2018 #43
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