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WSHazel

(537 posts) Tue Jul 1, 2025, 02:12 PM Jul 1

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We are losing [View all]

We are losing elections, we are losing with Executive Orders, we are losing in the Supreme Court and we are losing in Congress. We are losing at the state level too. Trump's support in opinion polls is in the mid-40's and has not budged much since, despite the horror show our country has become. Absurd, whipsaw decrees making business investment impossible; kidnapping immigrants, tourists, foreign business people, and increasingly American citizens; threatening sovereign nations, individuals and businesses on an almost daily basis, and now this horrible budget bill. Nothing budges Trump's support, and so he gets more vindictive, authoritarian and cruel almost by the day.

The only logical conclusion is that people like Trump, and at least on some level, support what he is doing to our country. Given his rock solid support, we can't blame this descent into chaos solely on Trump. Our fellow Americans are doing this to us. If even a quarter of Trump's current support decided he had gone too far, we could stop him cold. I fear that by the time they reach that conclusion, it will be too late to stop him, and it seems like this 45% doesn't care. I thought there was some shared belief in what our society should be like that would be a guardrail against an autocrat like this, but I was wrong.

I don't have a plan to deal with this. I do know that once a society reaches this point, it typically gets a lot worse before it gets better, if it ever gets better. We may look back on the first half of 2025 as the high point of the Trump reign.

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We are losing [View all] WSHazel Jul 1 OP

Nope................... Lovie777 Jul 1 #1

That's one opinion -misanthroptimist Jul 1 #2

Not a good try. Kingofalldems Jul 1 #3

You think everything is great? iemanja Jul 2 #37

Depressing ChazII Jul 1 #4

My post is an assessment, not a concession WSHazel Jul 1 #8

The Democrats need to do more than just opposing Trump. everyonematters Jul 1 #5

We need to stop blaming the "leadership" WSHazel Jul 1 #15

What is the economic agenda of the Democratic Party? Warren is not in the leadership. Jeffries and Schumer are. everyonematters Jul 1 #19

They need to do something like the Contract with America. writerJT Jul 1 #25

Agree. everyonematters Jul 1 #28

Harris had piles of good policies WSHazel Jul 1 #29

Harris couldn't and didn't communicate Melon Jul 2 #55

lol bigtree Jul 2 #57

Have you listened to Trump? WSHazel Jul 2 #59

I'm well aware of Trump. Melon Jul 2 #60

Perhaps you weren't paying attention. Understandable as Republican lies are promoted by media emulatorloo Jul 2 #61

That is hogwash... PunkinPi Jul 3 #65

The Democratic Party right now is the most rudderless it has been in my entire life. Midwestern Democrat Jul 1 #30

You can't stop fascism with "a plan". Initech Jul 1 #33

Perfection is the enemy bottomofthehill Jul 1 #6

I can live with a Democratic Socialist in certain positions WSHazel Jul 1 #9

When AOC first appeared, she was treated much like Mamdani thought crime Jul 2 #43

Mamdani is not AOC WSHazel Jul 2 #44

And AOC endorses Mamdani thought crime Jul 2 #47

NYC is a rich city WSHazel Jul 2 #48

They're NOT gonna leave. Trust me. DinahMoeHum Jul 2 #54

Do you support trickle-down economics? thought crime Jul 2 #62

I disagree with your framing WSHazel Jul 2 #63

You have some good ideas. thought crime Jul 3 #64

It isn't just the candidates, it's the agenda thought crime Jul 2 #42

Where is the Democratic Party gaining? WSHazel Jul 2 #53

We chase after the working class who want their Emile Jul 2 #56

Show me any evidence that matters WSHazel Jul 2 #58

There haven't been many elections but we have been winning JI7 Jul 1 #7

Post removed Post removed Jul 1 #10

I think the big place we are losing is in the media progressoid Jul 1 #11

That is part of it WSHazel Jul 1 #12

Exactly! "They just don't care." That's the key 0rganism Jul 1 #31

Luckily, most folks don't watch the MSM these days (according to polls). I get news from the BBC and other streamers. wcmagumba Jul 1 #27

Yeah, cause reality is just grand. iemanja Jul 2 #39

yeah, yeah....sky is falling democratsruletheday Jul 1 #13

Yes, let's ignore what's going on iemanja Jul 2 #40

I don't disagree. edhopper Jul 1 #14

Fear talk won't help us now. Glad you're waking up to the moral depravity of this reality, though. ancianita Jul 1 #16

I have been awake the whole time WSHazel Jul 1 #17

Where money can be made & people can be bought, nothing is a guardrail, including the "market." ancianita Jul 1 #18

Put a pin in this point WSHazel Jul 1 #23

45% kwolf68 Jul 1 #20

Nate Silver WSHazel Jul 1 #22

First of all, markodochartaigh Jul 1 #32

I think most people if something doesn't Tree Lady Jul 1 #21

Trump crows about how many he is deporting, he doesnt crow "im killing America's science infrastructure" Demovictory9 Jul 1 #35

that happens when you hand the entire governement over to psychopaths Skittles Jul 1 #24

I post JustAnotherGen Jul 1 #26

They support deportations, removal of DEI. Hurti..they dond understand that trump is destroying Science, democracy, etc Demovictory9 Jul 1 #34

"Remember those halcyon days when Democrats weren't yet disappeared off the street and sent to New Andersonville?" LudwigPastorius Jul 1 #36

Bye bye orangecrush Jul 2 #38

The usa will never in my lifetime quakerboy Jul 2 #41

The lies go along way! imanamerican63 Jul 2 #45

The Failure of Centrism Emile Jul 2 #46

Post removed Post removed Jul 2 #49

Good morning Emile Jul 2 #50

That cartoon needs updating TommyT139 Jul 2 #51

LOL 😂 Emile Jul 2 #52

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