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WSHazel

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63. I disagree with your framing
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 05:47 PM
Jul 2

The two options are not 1) supporting extreme income inequality and 2) going along with Mamdani's litany of bad policies.

Also, lets focus on lifting people up rather than tearing people down. If a rich person is living in New York in 2025, odds are that they are pretty liberal. These are allies, not enemies. It is hard to deal with extreme inequality at the local level because it is so easy for the rich and mass affluent to relocate. Income inequality has to be dealt with at the federal level. Also, if you want to bring more revenue in, bring in more rich and mass affluent people. New York has a lot to offer.

As for those policies:

A) Publicly funded grocery stores competing with private grocery stores will put hundreds of mom and pops out of business and result in huge job and real estate losses, in addition to wrecking neighborhoods. It is a phenomenally stupid idea. One of the biggest problems in poor neighborhoods is the lack of access to food stores. Why would you do something that will put hundreds of them out of business?

B) If you want to use taxes to drive better behavior, then tax the people responsible for the bad behavior: The landlords. New York has an abundance of subsidies for landlords and real estate developers, and has for decades. It has also had rent control for decades. How have all those worked out? I know valuation for property taxes is very complicated, but I would start with: a building's value should be assessed as if a building is upgraded at least one class higher and all the units in the building are occupied. In other words, penalize owners for having vacant or poor quality buildings. If they can't afford to upgrade the building, then put the squeeze on them to sell it. It has been years since I saw a report on "unavailable" housing (i.e. units that have gone off line for whatever reason) in New York, but it is a pretty big number if memory serves.

C) Accelerate commercial to residential conversions as fast as possible. There is a lot of commercial real estate in NYC which will never be re-occupied by businesses. Get that converted quickly. I would use a combination of carrot and sticks. Tax reductions for a year or two, but then the building will be taxed as if fully occupied. Empty commercial buildings are an eyesore and undermine the vitality of a neighborhood. Let's make them residential as quickly as possible, which will bring down the price of all housing and strengthen neighborhoods.

D) Vouchers - cash or near cash are the most efficient way to help the poor and working class. Make the rental voucher process more efficient, and electronic. Technology can make this so much cheaper to administer.

Rents are slowly coming down. For home sales, the rest of the country has started what may be a long-term decline in property values, and the northeast is just behind everyone else, but will not be immune. Government messing with the real estate market could do serious long-term damage, as has happened in other urban areas over the years. It took a pandemic and nutso behavior by the Fed to return real estate prices to where they were in early 2007. I believe that 2024 is going to be the real estate market peak for a long time. The home is often the biggest component of middle class families' retirement, so let's not wipe out their value.

E) Leave Wall Street alone. It generates a mountain of economic activity and taxes for the city and the tri-state area, and everyone in that part of the country wins by New York City being the financial capital of the world. They already pay one of the highest tax rates in the country.

F) People will hate me for this, but I would cut the top city tax rate by 1 percentage point for 5 years for business entities that move a meaningful number of their staff to New York. I would like to target the wealthy and upper middle class returning from Texas and Florida, but the wording would need to be careful since it would be challenged in court if you were targeting specific states. Every hedge fund that that returns to New York from Miami is worth 3.9% of the total payroll, every year, to the city. That pays for a lot of free buses. Also, Fuck Florida and Texas.

G) Get the state of New York, and New Jersey and Connecticut, to continue to upgrade Metro-North, the LIRR, and New Jersey Transit. Make it easier to commute into New York from the suburbs and exurbs. Residents that live in the suburbs and work in NYC are paying city taxes, and not using a lot of city resources. Let's try to make more of them. Talk to the banks and other big companies in New York City about 3 or 4 days in the office rather than 5 days in the office. A 90 minute commute each way, 5 days a week, is impossible for someone to do. A 90 minute commute, 3 days a week, is difficult but not impossible. If the commuter train systems were better with more express trains, maybe that 90 minute commute gets knocked down to 75 or 80 minutes.

Pull 100,000 workers out of the city into the suburbs, and that is 30 to 40 thousand units that would open up.

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We are losing [View all] WSHazel Jul 1 OP
Nope................... Lovie777 Jul 1 #1
That's one opinion -misanthroptimist Jul 1 #2
Not a good try. Kingofalldems Jul 1 #3
You think everything is great? iemanja Jul 2 #37
Depressing ChazII Jul 1 #4
My post is an assessment, not a concession WSHazel Jul 1 #8
The Democrats need to do more than just opposing Trump. everyonematters Jul 1 #5
We need to stop blaming the "leadership" WSHazel Jul 1 #15
What is the economic agenda of the Democratic Party? Warren is not in the leadership. Jeffries and Schumer are. everyonematters Jul 1 #19
They need to do something like the Contract with America. writerJT Jul 1 #25
Agree. everyonematters Jul 1 #28
Harris had piles of good policies WSHazel Jul 1 #29
Harris couldn't and didn't communicate Melon Jul 2 #55
lol bigtree Jul 2 #57
Have you listened to Trump? WSHazel Jul 2 #59
I'm well aware of Trump. Melon Jul 2 #60
Perhaps you weren't paying attention. Understandable as Republican lies are promoted by media emulatorloo Jul 2 #61
That is hogwash... PunkinPi Jul 3 #65
The Democratic Party right now is the most rudderless it has been in my entire life. Midwestern Democrat Jul 1 #30
You can't stop fascism with "a plan". Initech Jul 1 #33
Perfection is the enemy bottomofthehill Jul 1 #6
I can live with a Democratic Socialist in certain positions WSHazel Jul 1 #9
When AOC first appeared, she was treated much like Mamdani thought crime Jul 2 #43
Mamdani is not AOC WSHazel Jul 2 #44
And AOC endorses Mamdani thought crime Jul 2 #47
NYC is a rich city WSHazel Jul 2 #48
They're NOT gonna leave. Trust me. DinahMoeHum Jul 2 #54
Do you support trickle-down economics? thought crime Jul 2 #62
I disagree with your framing WSHazel Jul 2 #63
You have some good ideas. thought crime Jul 3 #64
It isn't just the candidates, it's the agenda thought crime Jul 2 #42
Where is the Democratic Party gaining? WSHazel Jul 2 #53
We chase after the working class who want their Emile Jul 2 #56
Show me any evidence that matters WSHazel Jul 2 #58
There haven't been many elections but we have been winning JI7 Jul 1 #7
Post removed Post removed Jul 1 #10
I think the big place we are losing is in the media progressoid Jul 1 #11
That is part of it WSHazel Jul 1 #12
Exactly! "They just don't care." That's the key 0rganism Jul 1 #31
Luckily, most folks don't watch the MSM these days (according to polls). I get news from the BBC and other streamers. wcmagumba Jul 1 #27
Yeah, cause reality is just grand. iemanja Jul 2 #39
yeah, yeah....sky is falling democratsruletheday Jul 1 #13
Yes, let's ignore what's going on iemanja Jul 2 #40
I don't disagree. edhopper Jul 1 #14
Fear talk won't help us now. Glad you're waking up to the moral depravity of this reality, though. ancianita Jul 1 #16
I have been awake the whole time WSHazel Jul 1 #17
Where money can be made & people can be bought, nothing is a guardrail, including the "market." ancianita Jul 1 #18
Put a pin in this point WSHazel Jul 1 #23
45% kwolf68 Jul 1 #20
Nate Silver WSHazel Jul 1 #22
First of all, markodochartaigh Jul 1 #32
I think most people if something doesn't Tree Lady Jul 1 #21
Trump crows about how many he is deporting, he doesnt crow "im killing America's science infrastructure" Demovictory9 Jul 1 #35
that happens when you hand the entire governement over to psychopaths Skittles Jul 1 #24
I post JustAnotherGen Jul 1 #26
They support deportations, removal of DEI. Hurti..they dond understand that trump is destroying Science, democracy, etc Demovictory9 Jul 1 #34
"Remember those halcyon days when Democrats weren't yet disappeared off the street and sent to New Andersonville?" LudwigPastorius Jul 1 #36
Bye bye orangecrush Jul 2 #38
The usa will never in my lifetime quakerboy Jul 2 #41
The lies go along way! imanamerican63 Jul 2 #45
The Failure of Centrism Emile Jul 2 #46
Post removed Post removed Jul 2 #49
Good morning Emile Jul 2 #50
That cartoon needs updating TommyT139 Jul 2 #51
LOL 😂 Emile Jul 2 #52
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