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Ms. Toad

(38,813 posts)
37. Birth certificates and social security numbers do not always exist.
Sat May 16, 2026, 05:27 PM
17 hrs ago

It was much more common in the past to be born at home. That meant registering the birth wasn't automatic, like it is now for someone born in a hospital. Some were not registered at all. In the South, some midwives serving black communities were actively discouraged from registering births. So there are elderly people who do not have birth certificates. It is possible to create a delayed birth registration, but to do so you have to have affidavits from people who witnessed your birth (inherently many years older, and by now many of them are dead) or secondary documents (like baptismal records). In the 50s and 60s, many black churches were the targets of fire bombing - so some of those secondary records no longer exist.

As for Social Security numbers - those weren't always issued at birth, the way they are now. I got mine around 13 - AND I wasn't required to provide documentary proof of citizenship to get it (I never had a copy of my birth certificate until I was an adult - all we had prior to that was the ceremonial copy from the hospital). So my social security number doesn't actually prove citizenship. And many women didn't work, so they never received a social security number. Until 1989, a social security number was not required to receive benefits based on your spouses or parents income. As of the last number I can find, there were about 11,000 such individuals.

And existing in the system isn't the same as being able to provide a documentary chain proving citizenship. Most people my age or older got driver's licenses on the basis of their parents word that I was who I said I was, and was born on the date I said I was born on, and in the location I said I was born in. (I'm not sure when that changed - but I know it didn't change right after I got my license.) Once I had a driver's license I was in the system, and each new drivers license just piggy-backed of of the one before - again, not based on my birth certificate or any official document, but on my parents word.

Just because the systems have changed over time, and you can't now imagine not having a birth certificate or a social security number doesn't mean that was always the way things worked.

Systematic documentation (and the requirement to have a social security number for more than working - and to prove right to work when you started a new job) is relatively recent. The changes began in the 80s. Many people born before that are still alive and voting. The likelihood they can't prove citizenship with documents increase with age, being female, growing up in a rural area, and being minority.

Democrats should not support anything which disenfranchises those citizen voters.

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Nah bad idea only allows republicans to control the narrative standingtall Wednesday #1
The border issue was too far gone before that Bill was brought up Callie1979 Thursday #17
Problem is that a voter ID bill which requires proof of citizenship (democrats dont support allowing only citizens vote) Ms. Toad Wednesday #2
Exactly now is not the time for Democrats to sellout their constituents standingtall Wednesday #3
A poll tax would be bad enough - Ms. Toad Wednesday #4
My State will Give you a free voter ID. Every state should. Callie1979 Thursday #16
my state just asks me my name bigtree Friday #23
"(democrats dont support allowing only citizens vote)" MichMan Wednesday #5
I was quoting the OP Ms. Toad Wednesday #6
Sorry, I missed that MichMan Wednesday #7
It's OK. I'd have put in quote marks, but I ran out of characters in the title . . . n/t Ms. Toad Wednesday #10
Our current voter records are already well vetted. Illegal voters are very rare Callie1979 Thursday #15
Requiring "some kind of ID" does not counter the advertisements you claim will be used against Democrats Ms. Toad Thursday #19
Well, if you've got a Dem Senator running & you're in a swing state, you'll see. Callie1979 23 hrs ago #24
Do you understand that requiring an ID - EVEN a RealID - does not prove citizenship Ms. Toad 21 hrs ago #30
Democratic Party believes anyone from any country can vote in the US? I've never heard this Melon 21 hrs ago #32
First, I was quoting the advertisements the OP was afraid would be run against Democrats, Ms. Toad 17 hrs ago #34
I only questioned what you stated Melon 17 hrs ago #35
Birth certificates and social security numbers do not always exist. Ms. Toad 17 hrs ago #37
You need ID to register to vote. Quiet Em Wednesday #8
Only 12 states require an ID that proves citizenship - and most of those are very limited or no in effect. Ms. Toad Thursday #12
Noncitizens can't vote in federal elections, but in some jurisdictions, noncitizens can vote in local elections. WhiskeyGrinder Thursday #13
John R. Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act of 2025 bigtree Wednesday #9
Thank you. As always, Democrats have done or are trying to do what they're accused of not doing or wanting to do. betsuni Wednesday #11
This has zero to do with Voter ID. Callie1979 Thursday #14
voter id is a canard bigtree Thursday #18
here, Callie (when I got out of the yard and settled down this evening...) bigtree Friday #21
No Karma13612 Thursday #20
in short bigtree Friday #22
So do some states just let ANYONE register? Callie1979 22 hrs ago #25
Never try to take a regressive issue away from the pukes LearnedHand 22 hrs ago #26
We need to have a national id. everyonematters 22 hrs ago #27
What is different with a national id? Melon 20 hrs ago #33
The states won't be able to use it as means for voter suppression since it is the federal everyonematters 17 hrs ago #36
This is a bull-shit issue that solves an imaginary problem Johonny 22 hrs ago #28
Unless all states give IDs away for free (9 currently do), it's a poll tax krawhitham 22 hrs ago #29
Not sure what that site is showing me but GA gives away a free State ID & voter ID Callie1979 21 hrs ago #31
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